Jk Rowling and trans issues... talk to me!

It doesn't sound like many of the current TRA's want mixed sex facilities though. They seem to believe that mens changing rooms and toilets are dangerous environments for transwomen and that men are a threat. But, as you say, what are the men going to do anyway, look at them? And if they attack a transwoman then that's a crime and should be dealt with accordingly! So we can agree should be no issue for transwomen to use the mens facilities whilst we do the studies about moving from single sex to mixed sex facilities.

There, sorted.

Spot on.

And I haven't even begun to address the sporting issue, crimes recorded as by women even though it was a man, etc etc There was one party official ( not sure which though and can't check now) who declared they'd be satisfied with a board that consisted of 50% men and 50% transwomen as a balanced one.

Most of us aren't profession sportspeople - true. But many many girls play sport at a non-professional level, representing their school / club / county. The same lack of fairness applies at these levels.

Your OP doesn't make any sense.

You make many false assumptions.

You assume there's a distinction between the risks posed by men and the risks posed by males who identify as women. Where's the evidence for this?! Have you ever googled #ThisNeverHappens for starters?!

You accuse the lovely JKR of starting a "bizarr (sic) campaign" t against trans pèople but again where's the evidence that she did this?

It feels like you have only a very superficial grasp of the concepts and the debate. I guess you'll either remain that way or you'll get to grips with the realities behind all the testeria, misogyny and Orwellian mangling of language to the truth.

So sad that you read JK Rowling and still don't understand the point she is making.

So sad that you don't care about women in prison or young girls who aspire to become athletes.

op doesnt know what a woman is and doesnt care. she thinks removing our way of talking about ourselves as a sex class is a good thing. she thinks people can change sex. she thinks if someone threatens suicide they must be 'right' and you must do whatever they want. she thinks jkr 'started' this. she doesnt want her daughter to have single sex spaces. she doesnt want her daughter to win even in womens sports. she understands male violence but thinks that evaporates the moment a man says 'oh im not male'. she doesnt believe in safe-guarding at all. she doesnt believe vulnerable women should be free - not just from violence- but intimidation and voyeurism. she thinks women just need to be nicer to men

It infuriates me when people conflate homophobia with concerns about access to women's' spaces by transwomen and call it transphobia. The prejudice and injustice shown to homosexual people was disgusting. All they ever wanted was the same rights as heterosexual people. Being treated as equals, with equal rights did not impinge on the rights, comfort or safety of anybody else. Self ID transwomen with fully intact male bodies being able to access any space where women are in a state of undress or vulnerability does impinge on women's' rights comfort and safety.

JK Rowling has started a bizarre war around the language used to refer women

That is a blatant inversion of external reality. The bizarre war on language is being waged by those who want to permanently sever words from their meaning. And their tactic is to demonize anyone who objects, denounce them as a 'bigot' and demand they are cancelled. Why should zealots be allowed to impose a Newspeak dictionary with zero public consent?

The thing is OP. You say that you cannot see it, yet you give 2 examples of where you do see it (refuges and sport). You have been taught from a young age that you should be kind, that women should be compliant and should believe the narrative. This why you are aggressively posting because somewhere you can see the conflict. And once you acknowledge it, you can never unsee the truth.

yes, absolutely.

Thank you op for pointing out how we can find out if a man is a danger to us or not. You imply that males who have a 'gender' identity other than 'manly' are not any danger. Oh and if they have suicidal tendencies their danger to others is also reduced. You therefore don't have to be in doubt when you talk about doorways at night or anywhere else.

If you fell vulnerable in any given situation, ask any man approaching you if they 'identify' as a man. If not, by your argument, you are fine and you won't need to worry for you or your family. To be doubly safe, ask if they have suicidal tendencies. If they say yes, again by your argument you are fine. I personally won't be adopting that approach, but you believe those things reduce or eliminate any danger. Are these the 'spidey senses' that what you will teaching the daughter you are using as an example of who you worry about?

If you've met trans people, you know they pose zero risk to anyone else. And those that do are a minority, just like there are Catholics who rape children, or Muslims who commit crimes, etc. You know the story. Marginalised groups get painted in the same light by those who dislike 'different'.

Another scolder who says "if only you knew any trans people..." Many many posters here do know trans people, as friends and as family and as co-workers. And we do not dislike them, any more than we dislike any other individual. We dislike the movement that says we are c*s now, not women, and tries to wipe out our sex based rights.

"Marginalised group" too funny

This why you are aggressively posting because somewhere you can see the conflict.

Yes. Don't blame the messenger, OP.

That's us shamed then. Well done.

If you can read all that women have written about the conflicts that are eroding women's rights and come up with your opening post, you perhaps have misunderstood those conflicts.

As a side note, many of us are currently seeing EXACTLY how this push for recognition of gender is playing out with our teenaged daughters.

For your baby daughter's sake, I hope that appropriate treatments for gender dysphoria are recommended if she might need them. And that she finds a more accepting society for our non-conforming girls where they feel that they are trans or NB if they don't fit into the stereotypes being applied to them.

Half of the comments get deleted because of blatant transphobia

No they don’t

The thing is OP. You say that you cannot see it, yet you give 2 examples of where you do see it (refuges and sport). You have been taught from a young age that you should be kind, that women should be compliant and should believe the narrative. This why you are aggressively posting because somewhere you can see the conflict. And once you acknowledge it, you can never unsee the truth.

@Dogsareus Concerns about erosion of women's rights and risks to children does not compare to homophobia.
Providing equal rights to gay people did not in anyway conflict with the rights or safeguards of others. Prosecuting those who attack people because of their sexuality and condemic homophobic language did not come at a cost others. Legalising gay marriage did not impact on anyone else's rights.

This is about issues such as women being expected to share their spaces with men, and to alter their language in deference to men, even how they refer to themselves and how others refer to them. It's about the fact that phyically healthy children are being (experimenatally) medicalised. It's about lesbians being expected to date men.

I'm a domestic abuse survivor and I'm shocked at your lack of empathy and understanding for JKR on this issue. You seem very dismissive about domestic violence and abuse and it's long term impacts. She is not using a victim card, she shared her story to explain exactly why we need sex segregated spaces. You sound lucky that it wouldn't bother you being in an mixed sex space whilst doing something private like undressing, but that is a big deal to many women so in order to be inclusive to women we need to exclude men.

This. Same here.

In your post on another thread that a PP posted, OP, you mention what a deeply privileged life you've led. Do you really think it's appropriate for you to be speaking over women who have not on things that are important to them? Perhaps you should listen to other women more than indulging your own clumsy virtue signalling.

As am I, Kit. That kind of thing so rarely occurs!

OP I have two daughters. I do lots of grassroots stuff to protect their future.
I'm a domestic abuse survivor and I'm shocked at your lack of empathy and understanding for JKR on this issue. You seem very dismissive about domestic violence and abuse and it's long term impacts. She is not using a victim card, she shared her story to explain exactly why we need sex segregated spaces. You sound lucky that it wouldn't bother you being in an mixed sex space whilst doing something private like undressing, but that is a big deal to many women so in order to be inclusive to women we need to exclude men.

I'm a very rational, logical person I'm caring and considerate but I can't let my daughter's futures be given away.

If we can't define ourselves we can't protect ourselves.

Given you appear flippant about your baby daughter perhaps being trans in the future I suggest you research social and medical transition in girls. In my opinion it is truly horrifying. Reading detransitioner's stories will give you more insight.

I want a world where my daughters can do anything they want, dress how they like and love who they like (in a consensual way). I don't want social stereotypes to stop them and as much as I respect a person's psychological internal idea of themselves or their personality this should not mean we change the definition of woman.

And as others have said try not to use the language imposed by those who want to erase the definition of woman. We are not non men or non trans or cis we are women.

Women and girls are oppressed due to their sex not their gender identity. A girl cannot claim to be a boy so as to avoid female genital mutilation. A woman cannot claim to be a man to avoid rape.

It's the endless repetition of "just be kind. Beeee kind [but never to women, oh no, not the old fashioned cunty kind of women whore having their spaces taken away and their sports destroyed - they're just nasty witches we forgot to burn and they don't deserve any kindness]".