Jk Rowling and trans issues... talk to me!

What men? Have you been living under a rock these past five years? Every single man, and there are thousands, who pushes for Self ID is pushing for women to have our rights stripped away. They are pushing for children to be set on a pathway of lifelong medication that they do not need. And damn right I hate abusive men. Damn right I want to protect women and children from them. The question is, why don't you?

Maybe just let this thread drift? Nothing to see here.

Nah really? Didn't see that coming at all.

there are those who refuse to accept people can be trans. They cannot imagine it as it so beyond their own experience that they will go to any length to deny their very valid but different life experience

this is such bollocks and a great example of deliberately not listening or not understanding what gc are saying at all.

transpeople exist, clearly - but you cant force us to accept that when a man says he feels like a woman he is actually a woman.

why cant you accept that?

What's not surprising is the number of people who want women to shut up about it.

Considering there's no clash of rights, that women's rights aren't going to be affected in any way whatsoever, some don't half work themselves up when we mention it, like Maya's thread last night advising to write to our MP's and similar threads. Like the violent thugs that disrupted a women's meeting so they couldn't go ahead. Like women's petitions being mass reported and taken down. Like #nodebate (until they lost, that is, then they demanded a debate).

Wouldn't need to derail every discussion and shut down women on social media platforms if there was no problem, would they?

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@Datun

Or maybe OP wanted to learn more and will
Change her viewpoint.

I was all for mixed sex toilets at school, until
I read a thread on here about it and all the issues and I totally changed my mind.[/quote]
I have no doubt, that if she does go away and read the different threads that people are providing for her, she will change her mind.

Most people (unless they have a vested interest) do change their mind. In my opinion, you'd have to be very strange not to, to be honest.

Hallo OP please refrain from using the prefix cis. Thank you.

I hope you have found this thread helpful, lurkers too.

@Datun

Or maybe OP wanted to learn more and will
Change her viewpoint.

I was all for mixed sex toilets at school, until
I read a thread on here about it and all the issues and I totally changed my mind.

Reposting Rebecca Reilly Cooper's excellent site which explains Sex / Gender and GC feminism for any interested lurkers: sexandgenderintro.com/

Trans women are biological men

This is the second "You're all wrong and need to listen to reason" post I've seen in 24 hours on here. I suspect that panic is starting to set in in some quarters (not ours).

No empathy for the more vulnerable members of her own sex, but falling over herself to please the men who despise her.

See, this.
This is just one example of the type of scare mongering crap people just go at.
Who are you talking about?
What men?
Are you insinuating trans people? Or biological men?
Or just all men, that they just despise women full stop?
Now going to get accused of NAMALT, but it's exactly what it is - plays on insecurity and fears and gets people terrified, that everyone hates you as a woman (no they don't)
so by default trans people are people to be wary of, 'because men and they hate you. (or to use pp's words, despise you)
That's where the hate and fear on here seeps in.

@Twocustardtarts

Thank you. Your analogy was enlightening for me.

Although I am concerned for the pros, with regards to physical safety, it's the amateurs that I'm most worried about. Professionals have the skills and the training to better be able to avoid injuring themselves and others. A badly executed tackle on by a male amateur on a female could have devastating consequences.
I'm really NOT saying that injuries don't happen at a professional level, just pointing out that the issue of including transwomen in the women's game has an impact on women's safety, participation and progression in the amateur game too.

Excellent point. We've had someone post that her friend gave up roller derby because of transwomen on opposing teams.

In my own sport, this isn't just going to mean me losing out on a bronze medal somewhere. It is going to mean that I don't risk entering, because after the weekend event, I still need to be able to go to work, and take part in family life!

Homophobia, particularly against lesbians, is on the rise thanks to transactivists.

OP perpetuated it herself in this very thread!

I completely agree with you, OP
And I have read many of the threads on here. Half of the comments get deleted because of blatant transphobia
Look back through history and you'll see a group of people making very similar arguments with a similar level of obsession, whilst simultaneously ignoring or talking way less about more pressing issues: the homophobes.
Sadly people don't like change, don't like to accept those with a completely different outlook on life. Just like there were people who refused to accept others could be gay, there are those who refuse to accept people can be trans. They cannot imagine it as it so beyond their own experience that they will go to any length to deny their very valid but different life experience

Completely agree, and same.
I mean, I get the self ID concerns, but it's when it tips beyond that I just can't align myself with "GC" views.

And funny how these same people who think feminist women aren't doing enough to stop men from killing and abusing us, have absolutely nothing to say to men to challenge them about the abusive members of their sex.

I’m despairing of the fact that attention has been diverted from these horrors in such an extreme way.

This has come up before - FWR posters aren't good feminists because they are not campaigning for better protections for women in India, or women in detention centres in the US. What is happening to those women is appalling, but I happen to think women in prison in the UK matter, I think sportswomen and girls in the UK matter, I think victims of abuse in women's refuges in the UK matter, I think girls like my daughters attending UK schools matter, so I'll focus on protecting the rights of women & girls where I live to access single sex facilities and sports and to have their sex based oppression acknowledged by our institutions, while those rights are under threat.

I’ve noticed that the feminist section of mumsnet seems disproportionately preoccupied with trans issues and I’d like to understand it. I opened the feminism chat today and topic after topic related to trans this, gender that

We talk about it a lot because the ideology movement is full of hate filled misogynists taking great pleasure in threatening to rape and murder women (who we recognise don't represent the majority of trans people at all, but are the types that feel entitled into our spaces).
Stonewall are actively trying to remove our protections in law.
Homophobia, particularly against lesbians, is on the rise thanks to transactivists.

So what do you expect? You want us to sit nicely and smile whilst men steamroll over us? Not going to happen.

And why does it matter to you that we're not sportswomen or in prison? So what? We're allowed to worry about those who are. Some of us worry about and donate to causes that help women and girls that aren't even in this country, that don't even speak the same language as us 😱 Fancy that.

Did anyone actually found anything in OP's posts that was NOT strawmen arguments?

For instance trans people in sports. I'm no expert on that but I can see why it might concern people. Trans people in prisons. I can see why someone would be motivated to pretend to be trans to avoid men's prison, and how such an individual would be a danger to women in prisons. But I don't find these examples to be in alignment with most people's interests. Most of us aren't profession sportspeople or in prison, and while I appreciate you can show concern for things that don't concern you, it's not my experience of the great British public.

Do you really believe that women on this board have nothing to offer in these areas and in all the areas that is effected by the conflicts of rights?

Do you really believe that women should stick to whatever narrow experience you have attributed to us?

How about you now tell us what you have done to progress women's rights?