Woman's Hour 20 October: Has Mumnset become too politicised?

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Pederson was excellent and gave very clear signposting to FWR for any interested listeners. I hope MN sees a rise in figures in the next day or two.

I take back almost all I've said about Jane Garvey possibly not being onside. She sent the message loud and clear that it's the BBC and not her personally who's dodging this.

Does there need, now, to be an organised campaign directed at the BBC and prepared to go to the highest level, taking on their censorship of women. They have very clearly taken a side — the transgender side —against 50% of the population. They really do need to be required to account for their position. It's scandalous that a minuscule minority of the population can silence the media in the way they have.

I heard it very much in the tone of voice of ...
That's the way I heard it, too.
I didn't know that JG was leaving at the end of the year. I suppose that that proves how little I listen to WH these days. Shake yourself up, WH, you're becoming irrelevant.

Good on the whole -Pederson was excellent, and I definitely want the book now.

Is it just me? When JG delivered her compulsory " some people say these groups are transphobic" I heard it very much in the tone of voice of "I can see the producer out the corner of my eye with th P45 in his hand, I know you as listeners can see this in your mind's eye as I say it ..."

I also thought it was good.
Inevitably sad that JG has to tiptoe round putting the alternative view that some see Mumsnet, FILIA etc as transphobic. But that's the upside down unreal world we live in. Stating that 12 year old girls should not have to undress in front of a middle aged man self identifying as a woman or women being reluctant to be renamed as cervix havers / menstruators is now considered (by the powerful woke) to be bigotry.

I thought pederson answered that really well, by just saying well they absolutely love to do their research & present evidence, documents & proper findings.
Precisely. Didn't fall for the trap and make the obvious answer i.e. "no, MN isn't XXX" (which, in politics, somehow always comes across to the public ear as the exact opposite to what you just said!) but said "MN researches and thinks and comes to conclusions".

Yes - huge appreciative shout out to Sarah Pedersen! I wish we knew who she was on here so when she next appears we could give her a big standing ovation. The book sounds like a brilliant read.

(I am particularly impressed that she managed to find a way of making hanging out on MN into actual work )

jg talked of this board's symbiotic relationship with wpuk, filia & fpfw and that some people think that's tranphobic - I thought pederson answered that really well, by just saying well they absultely love to do their research & present evidence, documents & proper findings. (paraphrasing obvs).

The whole movement's answer to the accusations of transphobia is to move past it & keep presenting the information.

There's a sample chapter available on the publisher's website.

Was going to say it's going on my Christmas list but honestly, I don't think I can wait that long!

books.emeraldinsight.com/resources/pdfs/chapters/9781839094712-TYPE23-NR2.pdf

I'm sure that Prof. Pederson will be checking this out, so an enormous 'well done' for handling it so well.
Unlike others, I don't get any feeling that JG is particularly GC.

Good work by JG.
Excellent work by Prof Pedersen. A brilliant swerve of the "transphobic" accusation.

A point to note. If you want to debate, the BBC wants 'balance' and will invite the other side to turn up (which they are finally doing). However, if you've got a book to plug then the stage is all yours ...

By the way, for those who haven't heard the interview yet, I should have put 'called names' in quotation marks as this was the actual phrase used to avoid broadcasting some of the offensive language used to describe women posting on Feminism Chat.

GlomOfNit I think it was the way Jane immediately jumped in with the transphobia accusation that really pissed me off. I thought it was jarring and totally unnecessary.

I haven't been able to tune in, but can't wait to listen later, sounds great

Great piece on WH.

MN provides the space and sense of community that all other demographics can readily find in political settings, in academia, on MSM and social media, and in society generally.

Women have been driven out of those spaces unless they accept a lie and offer up their sex-based rights. MN isn't just a safe space, it's a glorious edifice of intelligence, evidence, understanding, support, debate, reflection, wit and cackling.

Thanks to all of you that have made it so.

BrassicaRabbit
I no longer trust the BBC as a broadcaster though, after reading the continual misrepresentation of feminists (such as JKR) whilst every other day there is the steady drip drip drip to promote transition of children with no discussion of the medical realities or recognition of the often sexist and homophobic backgrounds. Ditto the many articles on "sex work", focusing on the privileged middle class few and conveniently ignoring trafficking, poverty and addiction. Not to mention the victim blaming stance they seem to take when men kill their partners.

I feel the same about the BBC.

I thought Sarah Pederson was very insightful abd Jane Garvey managed to ensure that the piece could not be presented as biased. I liked the way Sarah Pederson described women going to what they thought were organisations sympathetic to women's rights and not being listened to and called names.

Her book is probably the official biography of Mumsnet!

Time for this methinks!

Heh, that was a bit of a non-event in the end, really.
Jane Garvey going 'yeah yeah, it's great!' and virtually no tiptoeing around the big elephant.

Destinysdaughter JG didn't call any groups transphobic! She was very careful to say 'some people have said..' etc. I think it's fairly clear where her sympathies lie, and it has been for some time now. Another reason I'll be really sad to see her go.

I'm really glad Prof emphasised the detailed step by step support abused women can get on mn.

I wonder if there is any way to find out if MN sees any impact on the traffic over the next few days?

Definitely a bat signal!

I do hope that makes some women curious about MN, as it did make it sound rather interesting