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Surrogacy gone wrong - Parents split and left the mother pregnant with twins

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OhHolyJesus · 18/10/2020 09:54

I'm pleased to see some news coverage of surrogacy arrangements that aren't all magical, representing the surrogate mother a simply generous woman. This is a very sad story, not fluffy at all.

Here a young Canadian woman inseminated herself so the twins were formed with her egg. The commissioning parents ceased making payments and didn't make contact. A private investigator was required to track down the biological father in order for the twins to be adopted.

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/12905371/pregnant-surrogate-twins-parents-pulled-out/

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OhHolyJesus · 18/10/2020 16:30

She seems to reel from pregnancy to pregnancy.

There's something in this, both in relation to Mrs Radford and the 'serial' surrogate mothers. I'm not a therapist but stories I've read from the SMS themselves speak about feeling special, and 'whole' whilst pregnant, 'empty' having given birth, and how everyone says what a generous woman you are, by giving the 'most special gift' (the irony of that sounding commercial is not lost on me).

Susan A Ring, who I mentioned earlier, admits she is a people-pleaser and she said immediately after giving birth to the twins she had adopted she wanted to do it again. I think there's something going on inside you if that is literally your first thought.

I think there might also be something in how you find it's the thing you're good at, that your value is measured by this and that it's sort of your contribution to the world. I think that's very sad if true.

I think for something to be truly altruistic it has to be slightly detrimental, as in, if you get that warm fuzzy glow then that is a personal benefit. It has a sort of twisted, brainwashing element to it for me somehow.

As I don't agree or support surrogacy of any kind then I don't support supposedly 'altruistic' surrogacy. To pay a 'cost' of surrogacy is to pay for the rental of a womb, the lodging of the foetus you want to parent. To rent a womb you have to rent a woman, in doing so you can't see a that woman as a human being.

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DidoLamenting · 18/10/2020 13:12

I wonder how much of a role the LT partner at the time had in the adoption decision

I don't want to make this a criticism of her but if "LT" means long term I don't think any of her relationships are "long term". That's another part of her vulnerability.

GratedExposure · 18/10/2020 13:04

I'm also worried for this mum. I hope she's really doing OK. The potential for pretty complex psychological reactions from carrying and having these babies adopted is huge (for the mum and the kids). The fact that they're also her biological children adds another layer. I wonder how much of a role the LT partner at the time had in the adoption decision. An article like this couldn't even scratch the surface.

PatchworkElmer · 18/10/2020 13:01

What an awful thing to do to a vulnerable young woman.

Cattenberg · 18/10/2020 12:50

The pro-surrogacy campaigners in the UK who want increased rights for intended parents would probably say that this case supports their argument. After all, if the intended parents are the legal parents at birth, in theory no surrogate mother would ever be left holding the baby.

However, if the intended parents live abroad and decide to cease all contact, I’m not sure how this would work in practice.

DidoLamenting · 18/10/2020 12:08

@CaraDuneRedux

Holy fuck - so Canada has rules round "altruistic" surrogacy (and bans commercial surrogacy) and has a minimum age of 21, so the commissioning parents exploitative bastards deliberately circumvented the law by pressuring a young, vulnerable woman into going down the turkey baster route.

(Incidentally is it just me? The young woman sounds utterly lovely but also sounds to me like she has mental health issues and is vulnerable. She's had a huge number of surrogate pregnancies, interspersed with pregnancies with her two LT partners. It can't be healthy, mentally or physically.)

No it isn't just you. She seems to reel from pregnancy to pregnancy.
NeutralJanet · 18/10/2020 12:07

The surrogate mother reminds me of Sue Radford in a way, started having kids young and seems to be addicted to getting pregnant and giving birth. She's only 29 and if I read the article correctly she's now had 11 pregnancies between her own children and the surrogate ones.

OhHolyJesus · 18/10/2020 10:19

And of course her children are biologically related to her own children so it's not so cut and dried as just waving them off to a new family, they are integral to her own.

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OhHolyJesus · 18/10/2020 10:17

I've seen surrogate mothers in Canada extolling the benefits of the Canadian laws as they are altruistic as its expenses only but they didn't respond when I asked what expenses were covered.

I suspect that women who are vulnerable, in poverty or struggling and with mouths to feed would benefit from having their personal bills being taken care of for almost a year. If one adult's costs were absorbed elsewhere it would have a significant impact on a struggling family. I too am concerned for this young woman and her mental health. The pressure she must have been under with that situation, once you're pregnant in a surrogacy arrangement there's not a lot you can do. I suppose she could have had a late term abortion, though that's also traumatic and I don't know of the laws around this in Canada.

But the parents? They can just vanish with thy no consequences. Despite their infrequent contact it took a private investigator to track down the commissioning father! And there was no word of the commissioning mother.

It remind me of the story from Susan A Ring, though hers was far worse. She wrote a book about it "Unexpected Mother" and also has the surviving twins adopted (one was terminated in the womb against her wishes).

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LockdownLump · 18/10/2020 10:16

What a sad story. How awful that she was left to track down the biological father so she could have the twins adopted. All the decision making left to her.

And when the children grow up and find out the story behind their 'production'

Selfish cunts.

Not the surrogate. Although I agree, there's something not right with 'gifting' babies.

CaraDuneRedux · 18/10/2020 10:06

Holy fuck - so Canada has rules round "altruistic" surrogacy (and bans commercial surrogacy) and has a minimum age of 21, so the commissioning parents exploitative bastards deliberately circumvented the law by pressuring a young, vulnerable woman into going down the turkey baster route.

(Incidentally is it just me? The young woman sounds utterly lovely but also sounds to me like she has mental health issues and is vulnerable. She's had a huge number of surrogate pregnancies, interspersed with pregnancies with her two LT partners. It can't be healthy, mentally or physically.)

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