Debbie and Stephanie Hayton interview transcript

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'Option' is a strange expression to use in this context. As if women have choice in deciding where they are housed. Many are grateful to be within travelling distance for their relatives.

Yy. Chances of such a scheme remaining an option for women in practice are basically nil. Women would end up there despite having wanted to serve their sentence in the female estate.

And what would happen to a woman who chose a newfangled mixed prison and then changed her mind? How quickly would they process her transfer to the female estate?

I think hayton is getting carried away with the idea 'it's not genuine transpeople that's the problem, it's the men who will abuse it'.

Which is utter bollocks unless you believe that a) all the males currently identifying as transwomen in UK prisons (www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk has a lot of info on them) are pretending, and b) that whether they genuinely consider themselves trans makes any difference as to how dangerous they are.

This really stands out for me. While one side seems to be saying 'me, me, me and following what they want irrespective of the effects on those they have a responsibility to nurture. This increased the burden on the parent who selflessly prioritises the wellbeing of their offspring. The children were lucky to have Stephanie to care about them.

If I'm honest, it was a default position, but it was a default position that I actively chose, that I did want, if I could hold the family together then I wanted to do that.

Stephanie on staying together. Although her OH wasn't going to prioritise the needs of the minor offspring. Quite the opposite.

Reminds me of G.Howes speech about being undermined internally from someone who is meant to be on your team. The bit about your own captain It’s rather like sending our opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find that before the first ball is bowled, their bats have been broken by the team captain.

It is upside down having to limit the possible damage of the actions of the other parent on your mutual offspring.

'Option' is a strange expression to use in this context. As if women have choice in deciding where they are housed. Many are grateful to be within travelling distance for their relatives.

I think hayton is getting carried away with the idea 'it's not genuine transpeople that's the problem, it's the men who will abuse it'. It turns out that there are limits to how much women see transwomen as women, and women can see that people who consider themselves 'genuine' may abuse the system, too.

Bloody hell, a new low
And yet entirely predictable. Although I dont disagree with all this person has said, that would be crazy. No one is wrong all of the time and disagreeing with someone because of who they are and not what they actually said is something straight out the tra handbook. But this is what happens when someone is given a platform who otherwise is fairly insignificant, and rarely challenged or required to give the same degree of evidence or examples etc that would be expected of women others.

Bloody hell, a new low.

What would women have to gain from being housed with men

Female prisoners don't even get adequate health care or their basic needs such as sanpro provided sufficiently. Wheres the extra money coming from for all these extra risk assessments and supervision of prisoners. Its all a bit like the schools isnt it? Kids having to read books that are falling apart and constantly having to ask for donations for things like loo roll and tissues and the pe teacher iamd sixth formers are having to take over teaching history and math and geography, but suddenly money appears and staff to supervise when you want to build mixed sex toilet.

We can therefore safely assume the majority of men who have assaulted/raped women are walking free, so if they got caught for tax evasion then that doesn't mean they are safe to have around women. Just means in many cases they weren't caught for anything else

Indeed. Mobster Al 'Scarface' Capone went to prison for tax evasion. He certainly wasn't a non-violent offender.

I was thinking about mixed sex prisons as an option for prisoners of both sexes to consider as an option.

That's never going to be in women's best interests. Of course it's the kind of a idea a man would ponder on.

Sometimes people need saving from themselves. Its in no ones best interests to have mixed sex prisons and the idea that women should be given the opportunity to find out the hard way....

This risk assessment suggestion is infuriating. Its what 1 percent of rapes reported get conviction? And the percentage anyone reports is anysmal too because know there's no point.

We can therefore safely assume the majority of men who have assaulted/raped women are walking free, so if they got caught for tax evasion then that doesn't mean they are safe to have around women. Just means in many cases they weren't caught for anything else .

I'm not surprised it was deleted. But too late, everyone can see the thoughts behind the tweet.

Which has to be a good thing.

No. For goodness sake.

It's so jarring when you recognise entitlement for what it is.

Why should women, vulnerable, incarcerated women at that, be used to validate men's feelings of their inner identity!

I'm not surprised it was deleted. But too late, everyone can see the thoughts behind the tweet.

It says a lot about Hayton’s views and priorities.

From yesterday:

I listened to the interview today- Stephanie came across quite assertively I thought.

Found it - you tube remembered where I had listened up to

Wow.

'that arse she wields as a weapon'?

not envy.

I haven't seen the poems. Do I want to or will they make me vomit a little bit in my mouth?

EvenSupposing Rachel Mann. They of the lurid poems about teenaged girls on buses.

That article . Offensive on so many levels. Who decided that this person is an ally to women? Why? I don't get it.

I know. I was furious after reading it and this person still puts it as their top "go to link" to show who they are.

I had no idea either