email and reply from RSB

not even TRAs seem to be suggesting that animals can experience gender so that's something

Sadly no - Heather Peto has suggested that certain Primates have a gender identity.

Was stated during a discussion forum (alongside Dr Julia Long - cue eye rolling) if memory serves...

It’s a biology thread, so not totally off topic.
Dictionary.com says this. See third definition.

Dog
noun

1. A domesticated canid, Canis familiaris, bred in many varieties.

1. Any carnivore of the dog family Canidae, having prominent canine teeth and, in the wild state, a long and slender muzzle, a deep-chested muscular body, a bushy tail, and large, erect ears.See also canid.

1. The male of such an animal.

1. Any of various animals resembling a dog.

I’ve just given up on Sara Pascoe’s ‘Sex Money Power’ book because her determination not to upset any trans people completely undermines the project. I hadn’t realised her completely unscientific machinations actually reflected the RBS’s position. How odd.

If we really needed three or more differently sexed individuals to reproduce, there would be a heck of a lot fewer of us wandering the world. 🤷🏼‍♀️

How much more research does the RBS need to do before concluding that every human ever born had genetic input from two opposite sex parents, one with the ginormous gametes and the other with the tiddly ones?

Please don't anyone stand by when anyone shakes their head sagely and opines that "Sex isn't that simple." It is. It really is.

Gender and sociology and sexual preferences are fascinatingly complex and the reproductive process at cellular level is a lifetime's study, but sex? Perfectly straightforward.

not even TRAs seem to be suggesting that animals can experience gender so that's something

Actually and sadly you’d be wrong. Joan Roughgarden is a trans woman and biologist and her book (evolutions rainbow) is all about “gender” in the animal kingdom. things like How “sneaker male” In certain fish species are a different (third) gender compared to dominant males. And lots of other creepy anthropomorphosms.

A male dog is called a dog. It's only referred to as a sire for breeding purposes.

I did not know that about the word dog. I thought dog = male and bitch = female.

Wow. Every day's a school day.

Cat is Tom = male and queen = female yes?

Thanks! Love learning more things.

They did not state that sex is female/male (with variations disorders) according to Science.

It that is representative, they do not deserve their Charter.

Dog is gender neutral.
Bitch is female dog, Sire is male dog. Anyone thinking "Dog" = male is basically sexist...

We work to ensure that the biological sciences are accessible to everyone regardless of age, disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity or nationality, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation, or socio-economic background

....and it really should be gender re-assignment, not identity. So I’m really not impressed by someone who is a director of policy, who does not use the law as the mainstay of the policy. You can add extra categories to policy, but should never take out those in law.

@Dreeple ...

dreads getting a reply with a link to a tweet suggesting calling my dog she/her is abusiv

Well, in some contexts “dog” means “not a bitch.”

So how is biologists believing that biology is real stopping people from becoming biologists? Do scientists state that the earth is flat to encourage flat earthers to become scientists?

Good for you op

Well done for replying again.

What they sent you obviously wasn't a reply, but their pre-approved internally statement on the incident.

I'm a biologist (animal sciences) and there is no woke nonsense in my company, but then not even TRAs seem to be suggesting that animals can experience gender so that's something

I am however fascinated by the research that might be going on into gender in humans. The danger is that if it proves what we all know that it's publication will be quashed.

dreads getting a reply with a link to a tweet suggesting calling my dog she/her is abusive

By not taking that tweet down they are condoning a member of their staff bullying a women on the basis of her sex.

I've reported the tweet for harassment, I know twitter won't do anything about it but suggest others on twitter also report it for harassment.

Do they also encourage people who believe the earth was created in seven days, and that dinosaur fossils were are all put there by The Devil to convince modern humans into the lies of Darwinism?

That doesn't answer any of the questions

Come on RSB. Do you believe In biological sex or not?

Well that's a lot words nestling together that add up to precisely nothing op. I'm not a biologist but that reply makes me feel very nervous.

Or they don’t know how tho press the right button and delete it...

The fact the tweet is still up on the official account means for all the mealy mouthed words, they endorse its content

As replies to a straight question go, that is the biggest load of pish I have seen in a while. And there's been a lot of pish around lately.

Shame on the RBS. Absolute shame.

This whole saga has been so dissapointing from RSB. I am a biologist working in industry and there's no woke pronouns stuff in my company. When I see stuff like this I worry it'll filter in.

Uk science is such a melting pot of people from all over the world with a bunch of different cultures and traditions. I don't understand why RSB would come out with this given it's certainly not the position of most of their members.

It is such poor science communication too. In biology we know biological sex is real. I've never heard it questioned. They are basically shutting down the truth cause it isn't trendy.