Man making skirts non-gender

Men in skirts here just go about their business each Sunday. There's no risk. No vigilantes waiting to reinforce norms. We are part of the real world, and it's utterly unremarkable here.

They are not pushing the envelope in fuck-me shoes, so there is that. But I don't see anyone in those shoes.

Does a dishdasha qualify as a dress/skirt?

I couldn’t see the pics earlier...now that I have, it’s so obviously a sexual fetish. No way are those shoes for comfort.

I can count on one hand the non-celebrity men I've seen wearing a skirt in my 30 years; it just doesn't happen

Same here in my 60 years

I know at least five men who do at times, none a celebrity. (And only one to work.)

with the obvious exception of men wearing kilts and even then kilts are not every day wear. They are alternative formal wear for a very small number of men and certain regiments.

And ordinary attire for most of the professional males in Inverness when I was there; it was the equivalent of wearing a business suit, as far as I could make out. I can't remember what they wore on their top halves, but it wasn't collarless white shirts with baggy sleeves, I would have noticed that; and I don't think there were obvious sgian-dubhs involved.

I don’t have problem either BlackWave, but your opinion nor mine together make up the norm.

I don't think tight skirts and high heels are practical for either sex.

The pictures made me think about shoes.High heels seem so old fashioned now IMO. I can’t remember seeing any of my friends in them for so long... l am in central London, like to go out but l am racking my brains to even think of anyone in my circle wearing heels in the last few years. 25-55.
Maybe heels are over.

Well used to seeing guys wearing sarongs kilts robes.

But these pics

Highly sexualised

No no no

Naw would never date a guy in high heels tottering about

Never wear high heels. They are horrid

You totter about like a helpless pony

He’s just having a laugh

I Like a guy in a kilt or sarong but not him

Well creepy he looks in his pictures way he looks at the camera

And lots of women can run in a skirt and high heels. Think you are deliberately missing the point somewhat

I don't know what point you are making. I was referring back to a poster who seems to think it's impossible to be an active child wearing a skirt.

Ok, having looked at the pics, I think this guy's skirts look great, and other than the pencil style, very much in line with what I see around me. He looked good in the pencil skirt though.

It's the shoes that I think are more of an...issue? In terms of promoting him as some gender crushing hero.

Those shoes scream a thing to me that isn't 'gender-free'.

The skirted blokes I see don't go for that particular shoe aesthetic. They vary between flats and boots with or without moderate heel, as do most women I see.

This guy's shoes reinforce some uncomfortable associations around what femininity is...

It’s all very well, saying everyone should be able to wear whatever they like, but In the real and corporate worlds, there is a lot to be said about cultural norms and conformity. That’s the social reality we all live in.

I think a better descriptor is 'transgressive'. It can feel good to be transgressive, especially against norms you dislike or disagree with. And that's fine. But it's quite different from empowerment.

Where I live, I see men in skirts regularly - every Sunday at a nearby church (Pacific Islander community) and in a nearby 'alternative' suburb. There is absolutely a male style of skirt wearing that isn't cross dressing in both places. Both places the men tend to wear kilt style skirts. They really look no more remarkable than men in trousers. Just blokes, but in a garment that covers (fashionably or not) the pelvis and thighs without 'legs'. Unisex or gender neutral is a good descriptor for their dress.

I haven't yet looked at the photos of Mr Pencil Skirt, but pencil skirts and stilettos are not unisex or gender neutral, but highly coded feminine. And in a way that many women find uncomfortable, if not downright oppressive. I honestly don't care if men dress up b/c they find a highly feminine coded aesthetic attractive, but I think it's a bit tone deaf to describe it as empowering.

" I don't think I owned a pair of trousers until the mid 70s. Oddly wearing skirts, dresses and pinafores didn't prevent my running around or climbing (even that holy of holies on FWR- climbing trees !) riding (and frequently falling off my pony) playing with sledges and on ice sides or as a teenager cycling several miles over a rough country road in a school uniform skirt"

And lots of women can run in a skirt and high heels. Think you are deliberately missing the point somewhat.

I had to do PE in a skirt, cant say that was a positive experience as a teenage girl on her period.

Why so female gymnasts need to wear leotards whilst the males get to wear tunics?

There is no reason at all why men shouldn't wear skirts.

I think his shoes are ridiculous - whoever is wearing them.

Only one skirt below the knee - he likes a certain look.

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I agree, and in my experience, that that is often part of it. But I think there's a lot more to it than that. And, unfortunately, submissiveness is associated with femininity, and thus with women, pretty much universally; that isn't the preserve of men with a fetish.

As a very assertive person, I find the notion of "submissiveness" in any context disturbing. But isn't "submissive" (in a sexual sense) another way of saying that one would like to be ravished, taken, done unto, the object of another's unstoppable desire? I can't relate to those feelings at all, but clearly many (most?) women have them. And it would appear that many men do too. But that is another experience that is forbidden them...

I find all the comments about how “good” his legs/bum are a bit uncomfortable. Is it because this style of clothing invites critique of others “sexiness”?
I confess I don’t find it attractive at all so perhaps I’m missing something.

Yeah a lot of mens shops (on a standard highstreet budget) are crap

They really are. There's no equivalent of good quality mid- market high street ranges like Cos, Whistles, Jigsaw, Brora or Hobbs. It's a regular moan from my husband. According to him there's nothing except really boring, cheap and badly made clothes in places like M&S or next or , at his age, he has to go very upmarket into the tweedy country gent or semi- bespoke market.

He's straight but he would agree with you that there is nothing wrong in being interested in clothes and caring about your appearance.

If men buy shit clothes, chains will continue to design more shit clothes. The nearest to a standard highstreet budget with a fairly decent amount of nice clothes are places like urban outfitters and allsaints. You do find the odd nice thing at h&m, but their sizes are a bit weird.

I’m a bit too appearance focused with the way I dress, I like putting outfits together including which watch etc. But as I’m gay thats seen as okay, its often seen as weird, poncy or selfabsorbed when straight men take pride in their appearance. Be it clothes, hair, their body etc.

not saying it's the case for Mark McSilkson, but in my experience men who fetishise women's clothing often do so because they have a submissiveness fetish and associate femininity with submissiveness.

it's pretty insulting really

I'm unconvinced that being able to tell that someone is getting their jollies from wearing certain clothing in public is fuelling their fetish.

But anyway, stilettos, who actually really likes to walk in them, other than to the other side of the bedroom. I am so glad to see more girls wearing trainers now even on a night out