Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

Once more I'm nodding along with nauticant.

Hell we might be in pretty deep shit over here too, but I'm still gobsmacked that the best candidate the democrats could come up with was Joe Biden, and that their manifesto seems to boil down to 'he's not Trump'.

If you think that makes people like me the enemy then seriously, god help you.

I'm glad that you find that reassuring.

Nauticant
not in the states I watch

I wasn't intending to shut down this particular line of discussion. The one point I was hoping to make is that this thread, in expressing frustration at how hopeless the Democrats have been in responding to Trump, has been mendaciously characterised as being a "rah-rah-rah, go Trump" thread. Anyone is welcome to put that forward, but that approach fails horribly in appealing to the middle.

It's like poison over here in the states and we Americans are so on edge because we really despise each other now. I don't even realize it until it's pointed out.

I'll stop posting on this topic now. Peace.

However awful it would be for Trump to get a second term, this thread is teaching me how it could happen. From a UK perspective, the polarisation is so extreme, that the side more comfortable in being judgemental and being less willing to reach out, is at a disadvantage.

The majority of white people who live in northern cities vote progressive and see themselves as "not racist." They hear accents from other white people and put them into buckets of "those southern white racists." I'm guilty of those assumptions and I hear you, it's unfair.

As to coming into communities...that's what I'm trying to explain that it WASNT the protesters wreaking havoc. In the middle of nighttime riots and you hear out of town accents on white people...you know they weren't here on vacation....they weren't peacefully protesting during the day like all the white people who DID live here.

And...it feels gross not to mention all the POC who did the majority of the protest work and have been on the forefront of peaceful protest leadership. They deserve respect and acknowledgement above all. Most Black Americans are NOT Trump supporters and I don't give a shit if I sound like a snob to Trumpers if it means I can help them be treated equally in this country. Lack of Tumpers education and their lack of empathy towards black people is what got us into this mess.

take your pick
or shut up

This kind of thing invites those in the middle who lean right to vote Trump. Which is ironic considering how awful it would to see a second term for Trump.

against BIDEN
equals
pro TRUMP

because come November3rd all else is beside the point

take your pick
or shut up

Is their lack of education the thing that gives them their "southern accents"?

Please, feel free to keep digging.

@DidoLamenting yeah, I came across as a snob. You're right about that. That's why apologized.

there's a bit of truth in the MAGA folks and education...Trump does have a higher percentage of white supporters without a college degree.

but when I speak of southern accents everybody in my state knows exactly what I mean...it's code for MAGA. However, it's very unfair of me to associate white supremacy with a southern (country) accent, but urban people do speak differently than those in rural areas and we can tell there's a difference when they come into our communities

Why use the expression "Southern accent" then if you know it's unfair?

You come across as a bit of a snob. There is an unpleasant tone to your comment about people from rural communities (with their funny rural accents) coming into "our communities"

How's this instead: I'm a progressive Democrat who is so fucking sick of Trump and his apologists. I vehemently disagree with almost everything his administration has done: from them separating children from their parents at the border to erasing scientific language on government websites to nominating a pro-life religious extremist to the Supreme Court. I don't want people to vote for Trump and I am sick to death of the lies he makes every day. In the states we really have only 2 sides...it's the reality of our system. Not everyone on the left side agrees with each other, but if you are on Trump's "side," you support some pretty egregious shit.

Most people don't like this division, including me. But the one person who most benefits from this discord, it's Trump.

Also, the majority of Americans have never supported Trump, but he won because of our electoral system AND because half of Americans just didn't vote.

My views are in the majority.

Is it just me or does:

when I speak of southern accents everybody in my state knows exactly what I mean...it's code for MAGA. However, it's very unfair of me to associate white supremacy with a southern (country) accent, but urban people do speak differently than those in rural areas and we can tell there's a difference when they come into our communities

sound really dodgy? Like DiAngelo dodgy?

The wrong side of politics? Like the wrong side of history? Regardless of your beliefs and views, can you not hear what this phrase sounds like?

Sorry, my typo: should read "We know personally Republicans and the Trump supporters..."

For the record, if it ain't obvious already, I don't think Republicans are perfect.

@BovaryX I'm fully aware your support for Trumpsters is just your opinion. I just think it's a really fucked up one and not based on good information. I don't think you're a bot btw, I just think you're on the wrong side of American politics.

@HelloToMyKitty you've just argued that the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor was driven by the FBI. That is nothing but conspiracy thinking.

I am a born American citizen who has lived here all my life and I'm actually surprised it's not obvious from my posts...I'm sure MNHQ could figure that our from my IP and could tail my email if they felt like it....but MN is anonymous. Maybe progressives act differently where you come from, but when I speak of southern accents everybody in my state knows exactly what I mean...it's code for MAGA. However, it's very unfair of me to associate white supremacy with a southern (country) accent, but urban people do speak differently than those in rural areas and we can tell there's a difference when they come into our communities.

I care about gender ideology hurting young people with dysphoria and I care about surrogacy and egg donation, paying attention to women's rights in these areas. That's the main reason I'm here. Check my post history if you want.

We who have lived through this unrest in our American cities are exhausted from people who don't live here making all kinds of assumptions about our lived reality. We know perfect Republicans and the Trump supporters and while some of them are decent people, so many of them are not...their racism, vile hatred of immigrants, ignorance of science and xenophobia have been evident for a long time. The police departments have a lot of corruption and racism within their ranks. Black kids are treats very differently by authorities than white kids here and people have had it.

I disagree with Bovary on Trump, but she's no troll.

😅🤣🤣 I do wonder how Jussie is doing now. Wasn't VP Candidate Kamala Harris sponsoring an anti lynching bill at the time. I wonder if the FBI has the messages 🤔