Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

Ignoring the tone of the above post.
But worth noting that Anita Hill, cited above is voting for Joe Biden:
edition.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/anita-hill-joe-biden-voting/index.html

Quiet listener my ass, you are a loud and proud propagandist/apologist.

Remind me again of how wonderful Biden was to Anita Hill? Also how wonderful have Biden and Harris been in regards to the industrial prison complex? And Tara Reade?

The willful cognitive dissonance is staggering.

@Aesopfable. I appreciate clarifying facts and yes, @xxyzz wrote that incorrectly because some US COVID deaths were going to be inevitable. But quibbling over precisely how many would be dead under democratic leadership is missing the big picture.

This point, He's a threat to democracy which affects all Americans and would clearly have an impact on global politics. while a sweeping brush, is the sum of all the rotten parts that Trump has built over his time in office.

For many US GC feminists, we don't want GC to be associated with Trump, because that association taints real life efforts to be seen as a legitimate part of women's and girls' rights discussions in the US. US women don't currently have the luxury to debate line-item policy differences between the 2 candidates. We have a binary choice in 18 days and if we seem panicked or uncivil, it's because we're fucking scared shitless.

Re. Trump and covid and federal governors, this page (from CDC data, updated daily) is very useful.

91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR30qEvzq11I78qY5WyPOXUOtjUmZdzQL3d-k9gtDLrG6SMyl5EwD0lWmmU

Especially graphs 3 and 4 (cases per million). Graph 3 is the whole world split by country, graph 4 is the USA split by state.

Which state is doing worst varies with time. In the first wave it was NY and NJ, followed by various other states along the eastern seaboard. Then Florida, Virginia and the Carolinas seemed to be bad. At the moment it looks like it's the states along the Canadian border doing worse.

But the interesting thing, from a global perspective, is that at any given time, there will always be 4 or 5 US states doing worse than any European country. Variety of demographics, some with large urban centres, some more sparsely populated, some with Republican Governors, some with Democrat governors.

Anyone who supports Trump is insane or deeply racist

I can assure you my family back home is neither. They have good reasons for voting the way they do.

His mismanagement of the pandemic has killed over 200,000 Americans with many more sadly likely to come

You do know that the US is a federal system and State governors are responsible for leading the response? Some did very well, others not so much.

His refusal to take action on climate change will impact the whole world including future generations

Putting in a bunch of fucking windmills is not going to do shit. Sorry. Fracking and natural gas has allowed the US to wean off coal, which is far more damaging.

Frankly the anti-nuclear stance of the Green movement is going to do far more damage, they’ve shut perfectly viable plants in NY and CA. The Greens only make things worse imho.

His encouragement of racism and attacks on the rule of law put millions at risk

Nonsense. He has not encouraged racism, or do you believe the ‘very fine people’ lie? Please read that in context, it means the opposite of what you probably think.

His desire to remove healthcare from millions of Americans again threatens their lives

The ACA needs reformed as costs have gone out of control for the middle class (in the American sense). Not sure Trump is the one to do it though, he doesn’t have any attractive ideas on this issue.

Roe v Wade could be struck down, but not everyone is a single-issue voter. Of course, if it does get struck down, States can make their own laws, so you can expect that many ‘red states’ would start to limit it while ‘blue states’ might expand it.

Ideally Congress would actually legislate on abortion rights instead of relying on a decades-old judicial overreach.

His mismanagement of the pandemic has killed over 200,000 Americans

There have currently been nearly 224,000 Coronavirus deaths in America, they sit a tenth in the world behind Belgium, Spain and South America. What policies do you think Trump could have put in place to reduce that figure by over 90% and drop USA to 88th in the world (with most below that either island states or countries unable to record Covid deaths adequately)? Close all borders and have every American sign up to a tracking App? I absolutely think his management of Covid has been dire and resulted in more deaths but we should stick to facts or at least realistic estimates.

Anyone who supports Trump is insane or deeply racist.

I assume this thread has been started and/or encouraged so it can be used as Twitter fodder to prove that all GC feminists are far right.

Trump is a danger to everyone, male or female. In the US and beyond He's a threat to democracy which affects all Americans and would clearly have an impact on global politics. His mismanagement of the pandemic has killed over 200,000 Americans with many more sadly likely to come. His refusal to take action on climate change will impact the whole world including future generations. His encouragement of racism and attacks on the rule of law put millions at risk. His desire to remove healthcare from millions of Americans again threatens their lives.

I cannot believe there are people looking at this and going: well, Biden might threaten women's rights. And that's worse than Trump's attack on women's rights through attacks on abortion rights. AND HIS ATTACKS ON WOMEN AS PART OF THE EVERYONE HE IS ATTACKING IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE.

Seriously, Biden and the Dems can learn about women's rights issues. Apart from anything else, the US is a hugely litigious country, and the vast wave of lawsuits over damage caused through transition, particularly of children, will have a big impact on rolling that back, just as they are starting to do in the UK.

But there is no way to undo thousands or millions of coronavirus deaths, or fix the climate once it's fucked and turning dictatorships back into democracies often takes decades and/or require civil wars.

Seriously, anyone with a brain who supports Trump needs to get their priorities straight!!!

So far as Trump wasn't the US economy and employment rates doing quite well under him? Even if that had nothing to do with him.

I've never been able to figure out if Trump's successes are clever plans or random chance that works because it's just different than what the Republicans and Democrats have been doing for 50 years.

I had the impression he doesn't really have any knowledge or particular opinion on most issues, so will just do as advised. I then presumed that in some cases, he is advised well.

Would you consider Biden to the left or right of our current UK government? From what I can see he seems to be to the right. Which just shows how much Americans misunderstand the UK political landscape when they talk about right-wingers here.

And one thing I find interesting is that he doesn't agree with people like Lowry or McWhorter on a lot of things, they do tend to all be on pretty much the same page in terms of dealing with actual numbers, sticking to empirical data, and so forth.

Also interesting, none of them are in fact Trump supporters, but they sure as heck don't accept this narrative that you just have to accept the Democratic narrative, or can't criticise it for serious problems, or that anyone who would vote against it is crazy and voting against their own interests. They all tend to be anti critical theory too.

I'm still hoping that Trump being in power will make the USA less relevant in the world. He's been less hawkish than previous presidents and was a big reason TTIP was scrapped, and we might even see Korean reunification one day because Kim and Moon are handling it themselves rather than letting the US insist on a seat at the table. Trump's bad for the USA but I worry that Biden would be bad for the world and signal a return to the previous ways of doing things, bombing everything in sight and deposing democratically elected governments. I'm tired of the UK government following the US on everything, that's been the way for about 40 years now and it's brought us nothing but austerity, inequality and illegal wars. Put it this way, I don't need the Duolingo owl to motivate me to study Chinese any more.

Yes.

It's a bit weird that people are claiming that some are denigrating Biden only because of his stance on trans issues. Weird as it may seem, there are actually any number of political considerations that might motivate people around this. Even leftists of the traditional kind might prefer Trumps treatment of global trade.

Had I a vote, I think I'd be inclined to be motivated by fear of Trump making a late night decision to press the red button. But - I also believe that if Biden is elected, moving forward the Democrats will simply look to maintain the course they have been on for 40 years. And that to me is bigger than Trump or Biden or either of their policies, because it will simply recreate the conditions that led to the election of a populist psychopath, and the further degradation and destabilisation of the system.
I could't vote for Trump to try and create a crises either, so I suspect I'd go third candidate or spoil my ballot.

As the post by Gurufloof indicates, that's misleading because it would suggest a number of nearly 20,000 women murdered per year. The actual number is much lower than that, maybe several thousand. That's still a tragedy but it's good to have reliable numbers in mind.

It's roughly between 3500 and 4000 annually.

To vote for Biden because he'll do something significant about climate change would end in disappointment.

Surely saying Trump is the better candidate is hyperbole? You wouldn't actually vote for him in reality would you?

I'm behind on this thread, but I wanted to say something about this because I totally understand why it seems crazy. All of Trump's tweets, his ideas about everything, seem completely cracked and dangerous. And a lot of people are unhappy about him doing things like choosing a new SC justice. He's not been effective in pandemic leadership either, whether you are a supporter of hard lockdowns or Swedish style approaches.

On the other hand, if you look at the political policies his administration has actually enacted, surprisingly some of them seem to have gone over better than expected. And he's done some things along those lines that more conventional political approaches maybe wouldn't have found any success with.

I've never been able to figure out if Trump's successes are clever plans or random chance that works because it's just different than what the Republicans and Democrats have been doing for 50 years. But when you consider that Biden would also likely implement a lot of shitty policy, and would not step out of a single box, it doesn't seem so crazy that some people might see him as the poorer choice.

But otherwise is it a good idea to have someone with dysphoria (of any sort) in your fighting unit?

Well my thinking was more along the lines of..no dysphoria is needed to be trans these days. But of course, I wouldn't think it was much god to have anyone with any medical conditions really..DH apparently wanted to join the army when he was younger and fitter, and was refused because of his asthma. I know someone else who joined and ended up discharged as he broke a TOE in training. So seems they are shit hot on anything even slightly medical!

Reading this thread with interest...not sure if anyone has mentioned this take., it's Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying discussing where Trump & Biden might be on the Political Compass Test - food for thought.

I think in this election Biden has stretched the approach of 'What are you going to do, vote for the other guy?' beyond breaking point. If he loses it'll make it harder for moderate Democrats to keep the Sanders wing out next time, which in turn will make it harder to win the country.

Even with a Biden win the problems remain as he'll stand down (or be stood down) for Harris at some point, and I can't see the Sanders supporters at the DNC being happy with seeing the candidate who finished, I think, seventh in the race (Biden, Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, Buttigieg and maybe Yang or Gabbard) effectively parachuted into the hot seat over their guy.

Tough times to be a Democrat right now but, in the long run, maybe they need to go through this to come back stronger. That, or accept the increasingly inevitable and split the party.

I think one reason I'm interested in this (and I know my knowledge isn't great, hence asking questions before) is because the polarisation is so familiar.
We had our own version of this after the Brexit vote, when people deemed to have voted 'the wrong way' (who in fact spanned pretty much the entire left-right axis) were treated with such contempt by remain voters that it arguably contributed to a Tory landslide.

Not identical to be sure, but from over here I can see many parallels on this thread alone.

"You have just lost any credibility you might have had with that comment."

That's truly horrifying. Alright, I'll go away. Please feel free to continue where you left off, about being silenced by people with different opinions from yours.

BTW, if you missed it, this is the Lincoln Project ad put out, I think, yesterday. LP is a pro-Biden Republican group. It's aimed at women.

I don't think "unless you think like me I'm going to laugh at you" is very effective at getting people on board from the undecided middle.