Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

Maga and Antifa are both popcorn
80% of the electorate CBA with any of it

I am not sure what the word soup posters want

I want better democracy in the USA
and less disaster capitalism in the UK

The thing is, our FBI has said that white supremacy (whether or not they are actually wearing their MAGA hats at the time of their crimes) is a grave threat to our homeland:

www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/worldwide-threats-to-the-homeland-091720

I joined MN so I could learn everything I could about what's happening in the UK as it appears to be a bellwether for what may come in the US

Nope. You have that relationship inverted. The US has exported wokeism to the UK. It is an example of cultural imperialism. You know. Something 'progressives' used to be opposed to. America is a warning of where the UK is headed. By the way? You don't get to dictate who can speak on what subject. People don't agree with you. Get used to it.

I can do this all day

www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

Delphinium I am genuinely very surprised that you say that it was Southerners in Maga hats doing the rioting.
I genuinely haven't seen that anywhere - all the news that I've read seem to be saying it's a small proportion of Black Block activists. Obviously I'm not there - but I read sources from right across the spectrum so thought I was kinda hitting the middle.

I joined MN so I could learn everything I could about what's happening in the UK as it appears to be a bellwether for what may come in the US because I want to protect women and girls' rights over here. I'm grateful as hell for all of you brilliant UK women leading the fight!!!

I know, I shouldn't have gotten into a pissing match with those who don't know as much about US law or culture, plus, I try to be respectful that this is primarily a UK site. But c'mon...don't go telling Americans what we see in our backyards (back gardens?) is wrong cause you read a biased piece of trash on the internet!!!!

@Delphinium20
If you are a 'progressive,' can you explain the attack on freedom of speech, debate and diversity of political viewpoints which is coming from the left? That is directed against black Conservatives? Democrats seem to think they have some inalienable right to the votes of people based on skin colour. Nope. They do not. November will be interesting. Especially after the 'fiery but peaceful' antics by Antifa. I know people who voted Obama and then voted Trump. But hey. Since that doesn't conform to the tedious Manichean narrative running on Twitter, that demographic is ignored. Maybe pretending that every Republican voter is a 'white supremacist' plays well on Twitter. But it strikes me as a seriously limited take on US politics. Neither is pretending Roe v Wade is about to be overturned.

@HelloToMyKitty I failed to tag you for the citations/

www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/slide/21-states-impose-jail-time-for-doctors-who-perform-abortions-beyond-state-established-limits/

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/11/could-miscarriages-land-women-jail-lets-clarify-these-georgia-alabama-abortion-bills/

You're suggesting I read works by people who think the race conversation is dominated by victimhood and that 'wokeness' is equivalent to Stalin's purges? Can't imagine why...

@BovaryX I live in one of "those cities" you mentioned. You are welcome to visit me here once COVID is over. If it wasn't outing, I'd share our neighborhood social sites that described those "thugs" and how we handed together to chase them away from our businesses at night and cleaned up the messes in the morning. I'd introduce you to the peaceful protestors because they are my friends, family and neighbors. If you lived here, you'd know it wasn't the leftist burning our communities, you'd see that it was the white supremacists with their guns and MAGA hats and out of state license plates and their out of town (mostly southern) accents. You are not correctly informed as to what is happening in the US.

I suggest you read Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes @DameFanny. If you want to expand your limited, partisan take on what is happening in the US.

www.koin.com/news/portland/downtown-portland-businesses-how-many-open-closed-or-empty/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

@BovaryX not sure if you are eligible to vote in the US election but if you are, I'm game to play.

Progressives (of which I am one) may not trust the CIA all the time, but does that mean that career civil servants are lying to the President about Russian interference with our elections and our government? Our FBI recently stopped a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. Should she, a leftist, said, "nah, I don't believe you?"

Hilary Clinton said the "basket of deplorables" in reference to the type of white supremacists who support Trump. Like Clinton, I find those people deplorable. They are the same type that plotted to kidnap a female governor this month. Sounds like Hilary was right.

The left has an issue with cancel culture, but we still have freedom of the press in the US and there is no liberal, progressive or moderate who thinks we should abolish our First Amendment Rights.

There are 21 states in the US where a doctor may go to jail for performing abortions. 16 states if abortion is past the 20-22 week mark, 5 states if abortion is past the 24 week mark. Alabama is when the heartbeat is detected.

Citations:

www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/slide/21-states-impose-jail-time-for-doctors-who-perform-abortions-beyond-state-established-limits/

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/11/could-miscarriages-land-women-jail-lets-clarify-these-georgia-alabama-abortion-bills/

*"You don't see Trump trying to control the media the conversation and the populace? You haven't seen him crying fake news when people report his own previous words? You haven't seen him threaten Twitter and Facebook? You haven't seen him trying to get people to boycott the Washington Post? Bigging up Breitbart and refusing to take questions from established news outlets with fact checkers on staff? Stopping the daily press briefing when it became obvious people would analyse what he said rather than just print what he wanted?"

And let's not forget the many times Trump has called journalists "enemies of the people" and openly encouraged violence against them. There were T-shirts seen at Trump rallies portraying journalists with a noose around their necks. It doesn't get more fascist than that.*

Yes, fair enough. Trump is openly awful.

America is genuinely stuck, as far as I can see, between two really shit choices. What concerns me most is their global impact. So yes, Trump will probably have some terrible ramifications for US citizens, but so will Biden, in a different way, and at least it seems to me that Trump seems less inclined to bomb other countries.

I hate to sound defeatist, but I have no idea how the US will get itself out of the horrible mess it's in (I say this quite aware of the messes the UK is currently enthusiastically digging itself into). Scary, scary times.

@DameFanny
How do you feel about this? Do you have any understanding about the damage that has been done by left wing 'activists?' Some of the palest, most privileged people on the planet? Why do you imagine that crimes of adjacency only work in one direction? If that's your tactic? You better take a long hard look at what's happening on Team Robespierre.

www.nativebusinessmag.com/migizi-set-on-fire-during-minneapolis-protests-despite-flames-we-as-a-community-burn-brighter/

I think charges have been brought @BovaryX, unlike for the killers of Breonna Taylor and so many more.

Sorry @BelleHathor you're right - I was mistakenly conflating the pre election rally - www.thedailybeast.com/the-man-behind-journalist-rope-tree with the noose brought to an anti Lockdown rally this year

This is the crux isn't it.

So much to consider, and both candidates are....flawed, shall we say. In a flawed system, seemingly without a common foundation that they can point to and say Fact. Reality. Let's work from here.

Don't envy American voters.

I have never heard of it either. But how do you feel about the death of David Dorn Damefanny? How do you feel about the white thugs burning down businesses and causing mayhem in cities across the US?

How do you feel about Trump rallies putting nooses round the neck of effigies of journalists @BovaryX?

Since when did progressives trust the CIA?!