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*TW* Pedophile found guilty of raping 5 year old given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE

237 replies

SebastianTheCrab · 15/10/2020 16:57

How? How??

If anyone knows how I can donate to the mum's bid to challenge his sentence in the High Court please tell me.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843789/Mother-devastated-paedophile-walked-free-court-raping-five-year-old-daughter.html

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nothingcomestonothing · 16/10/2020 11:28

Thank you wellbehavedwomen, I've used your template as the basis for my email to the attorney general, and I've set up a monthly direct debit to the Centre for Women's Justice.

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 16/10/2020 10:34

I don’t get it, even if he doesn’t have full mental capacity, what’s the justification for removing him for the SOR after 5 years? Do they think he will magically not be a threat in 5 years, and not want to rape little girls?

Someone upthtead mentioned the possibility of chemical castration as a possible reason for such a pathetic sentence.

I mean, I’m all for it for all rapists, but we all know that a mans desire to stick it into any and everything he feels like is more important than protecting women and little girls, so I highly doubt that’s true

Imnobody4 · 16/10/2020 10:32

The general rule is that reporting restrictions expire when the young person attains the age of 18 as he/she is no longer a child in the proceedings and does not come within the child protection remit of the CYPA 1933 whether under section 39:R v CCC ex p W, B and C [2001] 1 Cr. App R (2)or section 49:T v DPP and North East Press 2003 EWHC 2408 Admin. The purpose underlying these sections is not to protect the interest of young people who have become adults. The Section 45 reporting restriction ceases to apply when the young person reaches the age of 18. In these circumstances, the court now has the power to impose life-long anonymity under Section 45A YJCEA if the relevant conditions are met. See section on lifelong immunity below.
I really don't understand this at all. It would make more sense if his name was withheld. As it stands it's the judge and his ruling that seem to be under restriction.

As it stands the sentence can only be challenged on partial knowledge. For me a suspended prison sentence would have made more sense if prison would have been inhumane, that way he could be immediately recalled. As it stands if he repeats the offence it years going to court again.

Aridane · 16/10/2020 01:35

I haven't seen his address published in any of the reports (I'm not counting social media posts here, where it has been)

It’s in one of the online newspaper Reports. (don’t do Twitter / whatever sO don’t know about what social media is saying). Not mentioning name of paper as don’t want to incite an unnecessary Direct interventions

T33l9 · 16/10/2020 00:32

Where can I find the social media post? I've searched Facebook and Insta, nothing.

Lockheart · 15/10/2020 23:23

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It was the SM post I was thinking of, Lockhart, but I do take your point about the address not being in mainstream reports

I also agree there's a lot we can't know, but still don't understand why he's not at least in a secure unit

Nor I, but this is why I would guess there are things going on behind the scenes.

The Secret Barrister often does a great job of breaking down why the sentences passed are as they are in these stories (which are almost always sensationalist and from tabloids), although I guess this case is probably something they can't cover at the moment.

I would be interested to know the reasoning behind it as I agree the sentence is baffling.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/10/2020 23:05

It was the SM post I was thinking of, Lockhart, but I do take your point about the address not being in mainstream reports

I also agree there's a lot we can't know, but still don't understand why he's not at least in a secure unit

howard97A · 15/10/2020 23:01

we don't know the specific details of this case, so it's very hard to comment

If only …

Lockheart · 15/10/2020 22:51

@Puzzledandpissedoff

If reporting restrictions were so stringent I wouldn't expect his photo and address to have been published

And yet they apparently have

I haven't seen his address published in any of the reports (I'm not counting social media posts here, where it has been).

Given the lack of information being published and the sentence passed I would bet a good amount of money that there is a lot more going on which we don't know about.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/10/2020 22:40

If reporting restrictions were so stringent I wouldn't expect his photo and address to have been published

And yet they apparently have

Aridane · 15/10/2020 22:24

He may have diminished capacity but shoddy journalism means we dont know

more likely reporting Restrictions

PearPickingPorky · 15/10/2020 21:53

Rape is permitted now, here, isn’t it. Even of small girls. The justice system doesn't think it's as big a deal as women stealing food or not paying their council tax.

Lockheart · 15/10/2020 21:44

@ihaveanidea33

What is the justification for him walking free?? This absolutely abhorrent.. There's no words.
We don't know. Very little is being reported at present.
ihaveanidea33 · 15/10/2020 21:40

What is the justification for him walking free?? This absolutely abhorrent.. There's no words.

Lockheart · 15/10/2020 21:36

@Handsoffisback

He wasn’t underage. This was recent. The girl was/is still a small child.
Where have you read that? There is very little being reported that I can see.
Handsoffisback · 15/10/2020 21:29

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ReneeRol · 15/10/2020 21:27

There's nothing there about him being underage when he committed the crime. He was charged and convicted as an adult and his picture is in the paper. He would be anonymous had he been underage at the time.

This sentence needs to be investigated.

Unless there's extenuating circumstances not detailed in the article - such as learning difficulties or a brain tumour - the judge needs to be struck off. People go to prison for minor crimes, raping a five year old is very serious.

Handsoffisback · 15/10/2020 21:26

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Imnobody4 · 15/10/2020 21:20

If he was lacking capacity surely he wouldn't have stood trial. As it is he didn't plead guilty meaning he did not accept responsibility for what he's done. This alone would indicate a more severe sentence. The fact that given he hasn't accepted guilt how can 5 years on sex offenders register be appropriate, what will change in that time if he has learning difficulties and incapable of understanding the seriousness of what he's done.

LimitIsUp · 15/10/2020 21:07

Will certainly write a letter with all the relevant details

Incredible

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 15/10/2020 20:53

If his learning abilities are such a mitigating factor, then he shouldn’t be walking the streets. He needs to be under lock and key, 24 7 , as he can’t be trusted around children.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/10/2020 20:46

A PP on a previous page said they know of this person and he lacks capacity, he talks to himself and takes children's toys on public transport.

How does a 'rehabilitation requirement" work in the case of someone with SENs? Is it tailored to their ability?

T33l9 · 15/10/2020 20:33

A PP on a previous page said they know of this person and he lacks capacity, he talks to himself and takes children's toys on public transport.

I may be judged for this but personally I couldn't give a toss whether he has learning difficulties, he needs to be locked away even if that means a secure hospital.

I have a child with a disability and I would expect nothing less than incarceration if he ever (god forbid) did something like this when he grows up.

If he knows about sex and how to do it then he's not completely docile is he.

Outrageous.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/10/2020 20:15

I've written to request an appeal.

This is absolutely horrific.

He has basically paid her £2.5k and then walked free.

It's legalised child prostitution.

It's disgusting.

alreadytaken · 15/10/2020 20:08

I've sent an email saying I dont have all the facts but that seems out of line with sentencing guidelines and asking for it to be referred. Even if he was in the 14-18 age bracket this is not a sentence that protects the public.