Am I going to look like a complete eejit?

S'alright Deacon, point stands, even if original discussion was a few days ago, I think?

#sexmatters

Think they zoomed off a long time ago pom!

I think it’s utterly ridiculous wording for all but the tiny % who are genuinely intersex and medical professionals cannot tell.

BUT right now it’s the only “pc” way to ask the right question - what external sex organs were you born with - so I don’t mind answering it.

@Skyliner001

I just heard an advert this afternoon on a talk radio station asking for 'men who've had covid-19' as important as they may have antibodies. Pretty sure it's related to this type of news:

inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-appeal-men-blood-plasma-donor-coronavirus-latest-628512

Almost 74,000 women have offered to donate through the NHS Blood and Transplant (NHSBT) website since the convalescent plasma programme started – much higher than the 42,809 men who have done so. Men are far more likely to donate a unit of plasma with a high level of antibodies, NHSBT said

I doubt NHSBT are talking about 'people who identify as men' here.

I don't think it's Butterflybitch who's looking like a complete eejit right now, do you?

Assigned and observed are not interchangeable words.

"What sex were you assigned at birth?" cannot be answered truthfully because our sex is not assigned at birth; the only answer that isn't a lie is "I wasn't." Guessing that's not an option?

I think NCone was making the point that the phrasing was changed to fit an ideology, not science.

As I don't have the luxury of knowing that my sex has been taken into account when I am prescribed drugs for potentially life threatening illnesses nor that my treatment regimes will have been rigourously tested on others of my sex class, I feel quite entitled to say fuck off to anyone who tries to obscure or falsify medical research data because they don't want to admit what sex they really are and insist that the medical research field indulges their fantasy.

You're not the only one to raise it, OP. Well done. Hope you feel better soon. x

"People aren't dying because of this silly app! What a load of hyperbole."

Are all treatments of Covid equally successful in females and male patients? Do we know? Is anyone checking?
Women die from heart attacks because the medication was developed for men. Are the drugs being used in ICUs tested on females or are they just tested on men? Do more men or women get Covid? Who are at most risks? Disaggregated sex data is very important . So people might indeed die because of " this silly app"

If data is corrupted because people are encouraged to lie on a medical form or survey about their sex class observed at birth, people will die . Trying not to offend people who don't want to admit their real sex should hardly be the priority here.

People aren't dying because of this silly app! What a load of hyperbole.

So they are missing out on me reporting for a further three people every day in order to keep some blokes happy.

Good for you, who cares if people die, owning the trans is the real priority here.

I had the same issue - I report daily (and joined before they added this stupid question). I started the process to add all the other family members but ditched it when I got to the gender assigned at birth bollocks and I messaged them (received no response). So they are missing out on me reporting for a further three people every day in order to keep some blokes happy.

It is not specifically asking for biological sex.

It is actually a 2 questions so if you find a way of dealing with the phrasing of one question, you will not be able to with the other, and vice versa.

It probably never even occurred to them that some people would rather win an argument over how something is phrased than sign up to a research project that's intended to help save lives in the middle of a global emergency.

Research scientists engaging with the public don't consider how use of language affects results?

This was taught in the first few weeks of my degree!

What a bizarre claim.

I don't see how using assigned as will make any difference to whether they can aggregate sex data. I get it annoys you, but surely saving lives is the priority at times like this.

I just heard a radio ad asking men to donate blood if they've had Covid.

It didn't say, if you identify as a man, male bodied, or assigned male as birth.

Saving lives is the priority and your biological sex is relevant to that, in the research and in how the virus affects men and women. The ad didn't ask for women. Trans men could apply but they don't meet the criteria.

The app originally just asked for sex, I think, without the "assigned". Then it changed, I wonder why? Someone complained I guess.

It almost looks like some people would rather win an argument over how something is phrased than sign up to a research project... Imagine doing that during a global pandemic.

In fact probably even more important now as we all know who is way down the food chain when it comes to importance in any emergency ; the ones who used to have a name to call themselves. What was it again ?

Women die because disaggregated sex data is not properly used so I think it is pretty important even during a pandemic.

Assigned is a very particular and unhelpful wording. I prefer ‘recorded’ because it’s a neutral term. No trans person could be offended since it was recorded via a birth registration.