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Police in Devon crack down on Hate Crime against Tomatoes

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Melroses · 13/10/2020 21:50

#tomatoesAin'tNoFruit Confused

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TheGreatWave · 18/10/2020 16:24

Interesting that only after it was slated was it revealed to be a university student project, so happy to take credit until they realised they had read the room completely wrong.

Aesopfable · 16/10/2020 08:29

It is what is supposed to be an impartial police force promoting a political agenda and working for one group of people against the legal rights and needs of another.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/10/2020 02:46

So the message is actually that TW (tomatoes) are really really women (fruit) and we just need to look beyond the cock and balls (tendency to hang out in salads and savoury sauces).

Yes I think you are right with that interpretation. The lemon graffitiing "tomatoes ain't no fruit" is a woman putting up "women don't have penises" stickers from the perspective of a genderistConfused

EvenSupposing · 15/10/2020 14:56

@ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings

I think this could almost have made sense as an analogy. A tomato is technically a fruit, just like a Transwoman is technically a male, but in a real world context it makes more sense to include a tomato as a vegetable and it makes more sense to include a Transwoman as a woman. Knowledge is knowing that a Transwoman is a male, wisdom is not forcing her to use the male facilties. That isn't what I believe BTW, but as an analogy I don't think it's that bad. However, 2 very important things. Firstly the "hate crime" in the animation includes the tomato being laughed at for wanting to go in the fruit bowl, and the vandal graffiting "tomatos ain't no fruit" on the wall. This makes it sound like the tomato is sad because it wants to be accepted as a fruit and not a vegetable, which is the opposite of the way the analogy should make sense. We'd like it if the tomato was accepted as a fruit, ie if the Transwoman was accepted as a male. The "Tomatoes ain't know fruit" graffiti is the equivalent of "transwomen ain't men", which clearly isn't what they mean, so the whole things ends up as a stupud jumbled mess. Secondly, until we live in a world where vegetables are being murdered by fruit at a rate of 3-5 a week, and have been oppressed by fruit for millennia, to the point that we need specific veg only spaces to protect them, then we can have a conversation about whether tomatoes should be allowed to self ID out of the fruit catagory. Until then, it's not exactly the same situation is it! But I'm real glad that the police are spending time and money trying to convince women to give up our legal protections, rather than spending it on tackling the thing we need protecting from, fruit on veg male on female violence. Idiots.
See, at the risk if sounding like a Marxist analysis of Thomas the Tank Engine, I think you have that the wrong way round. Surely the tomato is a fruit but it has been wrongly assumed (assigned? At birth?) to be a vegetable.

So the message is actually that TW (tomatoes) are really really women (fruit) and we just need to look beyond the cock and balls (tendency to hang out in salads and savoury sauces).

Which I think is even a bit more bonkers than the other way.

FairFriday · 15/10/2020 08:20

I say it’s rather fruitest against lemons. I like lemon.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/10/2020 08:16

I just read it as that the Tomato was confused about whether it was a fruit or a vegetable. It doesn't make the point clear at all.

Plus, 'fruit' has long been a euphemism for 'gay' (and sometimes lesbian) - is the lemon saying that the tomato is not gay?

RiotAndAlarum · 15/10/2020 07:11

People are LAUGHING at the police. This really isn't good.

highame · 14/10/2020 14:59

I like the fact that D & C police have a sense of humour and I hope they'll still be laughing when residents refuse to pay that portion of their council tax in protest at the waste of money in these critical times. Nice isn't it Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2020 14:17

In what fucking world is that the definition of 'sex'? I actually think that's one of the worst things i've seen. Arbitrary definitions of words.

It's the definition of "sex" where sex is a social construct and gender identity reigns supreme. "Sex is the way a person's body appears, sometimes wrongly, to show their gender" Confused postmodernist Butler TRA gobbledegook.

FairFriday · 14/10/2020 13:48

But a tomato is a fruit. I may be being picky here but it just is... a fruit. Can’t eat it with custard but there you are.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 14/10/2020 13:45

I think this could almost have made sense as an analogy. A tomato is technically a fruit, just like a Transwoman is technically a male, but in a real world context it makes more sense to include a tomato as a vegetable and it makes more sense to include a Transwoman as a woman. Knowledge is knowing that a Transwoman is a male, wisdom is not forcing her to use the male facilties. That isn't what I believe BTW, but as an analogy I don't think it's that bad. However, 2 very important things. Firstly the "hate crime" in the animation includes the tomato being laughed at for wanting to go in the fruit bowl, and the vandal graffiting "tomatos ain't no fruit" on the wall. This makes it sound like the tomato is sad because it wants to be accepted as a fruit and not a vegetable, which is the opposite of the way the analogy should make sense. We'd like it if the tomato was accepted as a fruit, ie if the Transwoman was accepted as a male. The "Tomatoes ain't know fruit" graffiti is the equivalent of "transwomen ain't men", which clearly isn't what they mean, so the whole things ends up as a stupud jumbled mess. Secondly, until we live in a world where vegetables are being murdered by fruit at a rate of 3-5 a week, and have been oppressed by fruit for millennia, to the point that we need specific veg only spaces to protect them, then we can have a conversation about whether tomatoes should be allowed to self ID out of the fruit catagory. Until then, it's not exactly the same situation is it! But I'm real glad that the police are spending time and money trying to convince women to give up our legal protections, rather than spending it on tackling the thing we need protecting from, fruit on veg male on female violence. Idiots.

FairFriday · 14/10/2020 13:37

Maybe it was some children who wrote and created this? Not an agency charging £££££.

We can only hope...

sashh · 14/10/2020 13:23

I've put some posts on twitter but I'll summarise here:

How the hell can you be promoting equality and diversity and asking people to report hate crime when the tomato goes to a club with stairs but no lift or ramp, has no accessible toilets (and there is a fruit toilet the tomato could use) and has no subtitles and can't be accessed using a screen reader. Oh and I'm not too impressed with the BSL either.

So the lemon at the end (haha) is committing a hate crime for saying something which is literally true?

Like a poster saying woman: adult human female

JellySlice · 14/10/2020 13:19

Unwatchable twaddle.

Tomatoes are as relevant as clownfish to this issue.

Europeans colonising America or Australia would be a better analogy.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 14/10/2020 13:17

I’ve been part of a government body which produced an animated film for a project. They are really resource intensive to produce - both in terms of time and money. Staff have to go off-line to do the tendering/contract negotiating/developer meetings/approval paperwork and sign-off.

Unless there has been an enormous increase in crimes against tomatoes in Devon and Cornwall, it’s hard to know how they justified the cost. I looked it up - their rape prosecution rate is woeful, but they have tens of thousands of pounds to spend on a not-very-clever film.

WeeBisom · 14/10/2020 13:08

This is so confusing and the analogy makes no sense. Tomatoes are both fruit and vegetables depending on the frame of reference - they are scientifically fruit, but regarded as vegetables in a culinary context. So the lemon at the end (haha) is committing a hate crime for saying something which is literally true?

Aesopfable · 14/10/2020 12:20

Their definition of nonbinary is quite a word salad. Actually it all is. Obviously trying to disconnect gender from sex stereotypes too but don’t seem to have landed anywhere else instead...

EvenSupposing · 14/10/2020 12:11

In what fucking world is that the definition of 'sex'? I actually think that's one of the worst things i've seen. Arbitrary definitions of words.

jdoejnr1 · 14/10/2020 12:04

The good news is D&C police have not signed up to this whole heartedly...oh wait!

Police in Devon crack down on Hate Crime against Tomatoes
FairFriday · 14/10/2020 12:02

That’s racist... or at least anti-brassica.

TheGreatWave · 14/10/2020 11:57

Hate crime against sprouts is totally allowed.

FairFriday · 14/10/2020 11:39

What about sprouts? People are so mean about sprouts...

FloralBunting · 14/10/2020 11:35

FreezerBird, I'm going to be randomly singing "Oh Where is my hairbrush?" all day now! Grin

EvenSupposing · 14/10/2020 11:26

I thought it was a prison. For veg. And I couldn't work out why the tomato was there. Has it assaulted a sweetcorn? Then I thought it was a very institutional looking school. But it's a bar? It's a horrible bar.

Would we expect to see broccoli on a salad bar? Maybe a nice deli one but not exactly ubiquitous like a tomato. Has the broccoli internalised its own self loathing and imposter syndrome and that is why it is attacking the tomato? Because tomatoes are far more welcome at most salad bars? I guess that's it? The broccoli is hoping no one will single it out for exclusion. I get it now. Sort of Confused

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