You need a vagina to benefit from a vaginal microbiome intervention

@Vermeil of course there’s shame attached otherwise people wouldn’t get these mutilating surgery’s to change what they have down below.

I honestly feel like I need a new vagina sometimes

Surely if a person that everyone assumes is male buys female specific products, people would assume that they are buying it for someone else so I honestly can't see where any suggestion of stigma might come in?

the only people I can see trying to stigmatise the word women are those who are now identifying as men.

I don't think you're correct, but if that was the case then the best thing would be for them to stop doing that.

All I can see recently is how every angle of these arguments is contradictory.

If someone has a vagina they should be entitled to buy a product of health for it.
Same with a penis.

Why would they feel shame? Why use language that is exclusionary to millions when it would be more helpful to assist people in coming to terms with inescapable aspects of their biological sex?
It’s just arse about face.

@ErrolTheDragon the only people I can see trying to stigmatise the word women are those who are now identifying as men.

‘ The word women isn’t necessary, and I’d happily go without it on a box to ensure that another women could get the product without feeling any shame, regardless of how they identify- because some women don’t identify as women, or men, or either’

That should’ve said.

Who is 'stigmatising' anyone?
Except those who are trying to make 'women' a shameful term.

‘ Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Maybe though, since they're so woefully behind on this matter, you could try expending your energies on men's (sorry, people with prostates, testicles, penises) health issues?’

If someone has a penis it’s pretty obvious what they are, let’s be honest though some of these people refer to themselves as female.

Also, not having the word women on a box isn’t a fight against men is it, it’s a fight for women who don’t identify as women to be able to purchase things that they need for their health without feeling any shame.

@Cocothefirst I do agree, I’m not trans and don’t know anyone who is.
But, I can recognise with all the ways people identify (and don’t identify) these days, it’s important that people can access treatments they need.
The word women isn’t necessary, and I’d happily go without it on a box to ensure that another women could get the product without feeling any shame.

[quote Onadifferentuniverse]@Cwenthryth when you’re talking about a vaginal health product, the term women isn’t needed though. It’s self explanatory. There’s absolutely no need to label the user of the product at all.[/quote]
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Maybe though, since they're so woefully behind on this matter, you could try expending your energies on men's (sorry, people with prostates, testicles, penises) health issues?

It’s a health product, for vaginas. I think people should be able to buy it if they need it without any stigma regardless of how they identify.

[quote Onadifferentuniverse]@Cwenthryth when you’re talking about a vaginal health product, the term women isn’t needed though. It’s self explanatory. There’s absolutely no need to label the user of the product at all.[/quote]
Only women have vaginas, no matter how they identify. So it's absolutely appropriate to have 'women' on the product.

Well done, OP.

Women are women and we shouldn't feel a need to qualify what 'type' of woman we are because that implies that there is another type and there isn't.

I can't see how 'biological woman' is any more inclusive of transmen as it is the same thing as woman.

Onadifferentuniverse

What an apt user name.

That’s a pretty poor reason not to use the word women, seeing as it’s the vast, overwhelming majority of those who’ll see a benefit from this product. Why erase millions of people just to satisfy the feelings of a few tens of thousands at the very most?

@Cwenthryth when you’re talking about a vaginal health product, the term women isn’t needed though. It’s self explanatory. There’s absolutely no need to label the user of the product at all.

‘ I addressed the need for a better understanding of the impact of vaginal microbiome disruption, and of women's genitourinary health in general.’

The word women isn’t necessary here. It’s self explanatory. @MaudTheInvincible

The words women/man are usually used for marketing but they’re not necessary and in my opinion shouldn’t be used on products like this.

Women are still important even if they identify as men.

I think just leaving identity out of talking about vaginas is the key to not offending anyone.

If a trans man is taking T, etc, I wouldn’t expect the product to work on them. Does anyone know?

I would have thought the whole Vaginal climate would have changed fundamentally

This is just typical of how ignorant the woke often are. For all the ‘educate yourself’ rhetoric, their understanding of issues is so often shallow and what little they have is heavily biased towards their preconceptions.
That’s probably why I find their arrogant ‘I’m so much more enlightened and a better person than you’ attitude so bloody annoying.

I wasn't sure where the story was heading but when I read the punchline I actually burst out laughing and then felt really despondent. I also wondered how long it would be before the biome of the neo vagina would enter this discussion and how much money would be spent researching that instead of more research on the biome of the vagina to benefit the thousands of women who suffer from vaginal dysbiosis which is possibly as a result of antibiotics, sanitary protection, phormonal contraception, barrier contraception or diet, but the pharmaceutical response is not to look at the root cause and fix the problem but to temporarily alleviate the symptoms. I hope the OP's product is a lasting solution that becomes part of women's health provision wherever possible factors that upset the vaginal biome are suggested and that before money is spent investigating the biome of the neo vagina, someone pipes up and asks if female vaginal dysbiosis is no longer an issue.

It's much preferable to using offensive and dehumanising terms such as 'vagina-havers', so yes, the word women is definitely necessary here.

Well done, OP, perfect response. 'Bright sparks in marketing' do sometimes simply need a crisp clear statement of reality.