Still attacking M Berns....

Quaagars, so you're talking about one tweet. One tweet in all of Magdalene Burns calm and rational output. One tweet after all the absolutely horrific abuse she suffered at the hands of tras.

Have you been onto the twitter feed of the person linked to in the op to berate them for their hate? No? Thought not.

Maybe transactivists who feel hurt when women talk about biological facts could take the lead from this person commenting on the Rosie Duffield interview in The Times (linked to on another thread):

As a black woman growing up in the 50s and 60s in an extremely racist society, my feelings were permanently hurt. But I dealt with it myself, faced the hurt, gathered my forces, and became all the stronger for having gone through that, and capable of fighting for others. Getting hurt sometimes is part of the human experience.
Somebody who is hurt when the bare facts are mentioned that one's sex cannot be changed needs therapy, not empty placation and lies.

Oh no, I'm sure Magdalen would have been crushed to be accused of rudeness

"I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar" - M Berns

Fuck nice. It's not nice to appropriate womanhood, to push our boundaries and gaslight us.

@quagars - do you object to people being offended by and protesting against Drag?

Men who have a fetish for periods,
men who have a fetish for breastfeeding,
men who pretend to be pregnant,
men who call themselves lesbians, and women just have to shut up?

She was rude, but she was right.

Comerford is a hypocrite.

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’ I personally found Berns' videos strident, hectoring and patronising. She does not deserve the abuse she is getting but personally she made feel the "gender critical" side was not a side I wanted to be on.’

You must seriously dislike the TRA side, then? I mean, if one person’s videos are so off putting, then thousands of tweets threatening all sorts of violence against women must have you running for the hills.

I watched my first Magdalen Berns video on the anniversary of her death. I had heard so much about her by then, I wasn't sure what to expect. Someone loud, rude and aggressive, I think. By the time I watched her video, I had also seen the blackface Tweet referenced ad nauseum.

To me, she comes across as the equivalent of the little boy in the Emperor's New Clothes. Her attitude was very much 'yeah, but that's a man, though.' I found her less aggressive and more humerous in tone than I was expecting - she made me laugh.
She comes across as less strident than Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen Minshull). I liked her dry style.

I appreciate that her style might not have chimed with everyone and I recognise that she may have put some people off. However, I think for others she might have been a more accessible figure. She certainly couldn't be dismissed as a middle-aged, moaning "Karen".

I can understand why the blackface Tweet was so controversial. In light of the videos I have seen, my take on it is that MB directed it at a very specific group of TRAs that were verbally abusing her. It certainly wasn't a recurring theme in her videos.

I tend to agree with PPs who say it is telling that that one Tweet is wheeled out continuously, despite MB's numerous videos and Tweets on the subject.

Oh what a clever clogs you are Quaagars I don't even know how to do the searches you obviously do. Care to post a comparison on how long we've both been here? Or would that invalidate your argument? All I know is that for the relatively short time I've been here you have seemed to take the opposite stance to anybody upholding womens' ( ie adult human female) rights.

but someone like you who has been here lots longer will obviously be far more informed
When did I join then?
How long is long?
Maybe your eyes did pop right open straight away and immediately gave money to funds to issues you previously knew nothing about to a site you'd only just apparently joined.

When did I join mumsnet Quaagars? How new is new? I was instantly awakened when I found this board, but someone like you who has been here lots longer will obviously be far more informed. Or can't you provide definitions? I was dismayed, when reading these boards, to realise quite how far misogyny extends. Still trying to convince DH who can't believe the infiltration has gone as far as I think it has
.

I'm new to this and confused

No you're not.
A quick advanced search to see if genuinely new and confused shows that's clearly not the case.
Not sure why would anyone be donating to crowdfunders as a completely new member who had no idea what they were donating to?

TW aren't women, they're trans women, in other words people who were born as male who prefer to identify as female but retain male chromosomes (and usually male bodies)
. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood? Would some kind intelligent person please give me the definitions of female, male, trans women? I'm new to this and confused.
Quaagars you seem to know what's what, can you oblige?

How do clothes / hairstyle etc make someone ‘trans’?

They don't.

How do clothes / hairstyle etc make someone ‘trans’?

Bit presumptuous and transphobic I’d say.

Meaning, as many here would, 'GNC is great, wear what you want. But it has no bearing on your sex'. An entirely sensible view tbh. I am sure you disagree though, given the previous answer.

Presumably as long as they're not trans, that is?

No?

Aslong as they did not claim that wearing 'womens clothes; actually made them a woman. And no, thats not the same as saying 'aslong as they are not trans', as oddly enough, may trans people do not think putting on a dress or whatever makes them a woman. Thats, transactivist logic, not actual trans people from what I have seen.

Given this was the reply to that, I am guessing you have not actually watched any of her videos?

Her videos make quite clear she had no issue with people wearing what they want and stuff

Presumably as long as they're not trans, that is?
Then it sounds like she had an issue with them.

I don't agree with Magdalens tweet btw. However, someone snapping and putting something unkind, ONCE I can understand tbh. The fact that thats the only thing they ever send round, over and over, kind of proves that what she said on a regular basis was NOT hate as they claim, else they would find other things easily enough (to criticize after she has died)

I did once make a comparison between drag and blackface that I found appropriate though, which most agreed with but then a woman who was black said it offended her to have them compared in such a way so this is the only time I have mentioned it since then (though a few other black women said it didn't bother them, the one who it did was also important). As a white woman, it is correct that I shouldn't really have used blackface as I have no idea how it feels to be on the recieving end of it or anything, but I did not mean any offense by it and at the time it seemed a valid comparison.

I kind of question IF she was referring to 'trans women' as a whole in the tweet anyway, as claimed or the person she was replying to and 'people like them', being was she replying to AGPs at the time? That would kind of put a different spin on it anyway IMO, though it was badly worded.

Her videos make quite clear she had no issue with people wearing what they want and stuff. Yes, some of her videos she could come across as rude and abrupt, when replying to topics such as 'lesbians should learn to love penis else transphobic' shit. To expect 'be kind' on such a topic, especially from a lesbian, its just bonkers. Sorry, it is.

I don't think that tweet is representative of how Magdalen normally expresses herself. Despite being rude I still don't think it comes near to the abuse/threats aimed at JKR, for example. Given that Magdalen isn't around any more to comment on it I'm not sure what anyone criticising it wants.

Anyway, this has just prompted me to rewatch her video about Alex Drummond which is a treat.

You just need to try harder

Okay.
That says it all then, if that's all you take away from what I said.

People just flat out refuse to see, or won't see, I just don't get it

You just need to try harder.

I’ve no idea why you’re bringing race into this

because they're identical in the blindness

as I said

People just flat out refuse to see, or won't see, I just don't get it

Yes it was rude. No it wasn't in any way harmful

Accusing trans people of womanface? Appropriating blackface?
Not in any way harmful?
Right.
OK then,