Still attacking M Berns....

Magdalen was right. I wish I had an ounce of her courage.

EvenSupposing

slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/jennifer-weiner-tweets-that-strident-is-a-sexist-term-is-it.html

Old but interesting article

Highlight was that strident was used twice as much for women as for men...even though there were a lot more mentions of men

I can't really comment beyond saying your limited experience isn't evidence of anything except your limited experience.

Come on! You know that word is used about women. Why are you doubling down? What a weird thing to keep asserting. And I don't have 'limited experience' with the English language - I can assure you! Strident is a word used about women who assert themselves. I'm sure you have found that to be the case.

and decided to make it about the one tweet she wrote when she lost her rag and told them what she thought of them

Oh yes, it was only ever the one tweet what was problematic.
Everything else she said was fluffy bunnies fine and dandy.
OK.
Right.
For those at the back
Never, ever, have I said I think abuse is OK, and I also think those threats are vile.

The Internet is littered with examples with reference to Donald Trump.

www.google.com/amp/s/wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/pti-stories/mexico-leader-says-trump-s-rhetoric-recalls-hitler-s-rise-116030800043_1.html

I think it says a lot that @Quaagars saw a thread about a dead woman being mocked by multiple people on Twitter in the most horrid way, and decided to make it about the one tweet she wrote when she lost her rag and told them what she thought of them.

Think about it, if this is how they speak about her when she is DEAD, imagine what kind of abuse they wrote giving her when she was alive.

But no, the real issue here is that a woman sent one tweet out of 17,000 where she expressed her beliefs in a way that may have overstepped the mark

Oh this old canard that strident and hysterical are [disproportionately] used for women.

Once destrawmanned, this is absolutely not a canard. These things can be measured objectively.

You may search the word "strident" in this blog entry quomodocumque.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/gendercycle-a-dynamical-system-on-words/ and the word "hysterical" in this paper arxiv.org/pdf/1607.06520.pdf (which btw is really interesting and worth reading even if you're not completely clueless about how sexist language works.)

I have literally never heard anyone call a man 'strident'. If they did I would think it sounded odd because it really is only used about women.

It's not a 'canard' if it's true is it?

How many men do you tend to call "strident", Dido?

Oh this old canard that strident and hysterical are only used for women.

But since you ask it's a word I would use Scottish nationalists of either sex since they all seem incapable of putting their case other than stridently and in a strident manner.

@Quaagars - thank you for the flowers. Today has been a very tough day.

Sorry to hear that, hope tomorrow's a better one for you

No, it's not in the same league as death and rape threats.

Thank you.

@Ereshkigalangcleg.

It sounds as though Quaagars doesn't think that having a rationale for throwing words and accusations around is important nor do universal understandings of what a word means is relevant.

Just "not in the same league as the death threats and drooling rape fantasies they showered her with"*.
Or do you think it is?

No, it's not in the same league as death and rape threats.
It still doesn't make it not abusive though, just because well these tweets/comments were more horrible than these ones so ours can't be!

Read the rest of the comment instead of nitpicking what bits was and wasn't quoted.
I've already quoted in full upthread.

Perhaps you should learn to quote people properly then?

You're very welcome x

Why did you quote DeliciouslyFemale talking about female biology only and say it was "abuse of a minority group" then? Now is your chance to clarify what you meant by that
Tits, that’s something women develop, as they grow from girls into women, just in case you’re wondering. Isn’t female anatomy amazing WTAF.People really don't see this as abuse towards a minority group?
Just.... OK

Read the rest of the comment instead of nitpicking what bits was and wasn't quoted.
I've already quoted in full upthread.
If you can't genuinely see how that whole comment wasn't abusive towards a minority group, well, then, fine, OK.
As I said we all clearly have different ideas what is and isn't abusive comments.

Is it really hard for you to say that expressing a strong disbelief in gender identity ideology in an offensive way isn't in the same league as death and rape threats, Quaagars?

Plus, because there's no threats, that automatically makes it all OK and fine?

Not the point being made. But you know that. Just "not in the same league as the death threats and drooling rape fantasies they showered her with".

Or do you think it is?

I have lurked for a while, but am actually recovering from multiple surgeries, have a neurological condition which can play havoc with my understanding when I’m having a particularly tough day, and have just been diagnosed with a pituitary tumour. I was asking a genuine question, in reaction to your comment.

Why did you quote DeliciouslyFemale talking about female biology only and say it was "abuse of a minority group" then? Now is your chance to clarify what you meant by that.

Tits, that’s something women develop, as they grow from girls into women, just in case you’re wondering. Isn’t female anatomy amazing?

WTAF.
People really don't see this as abuse towards a minority group?
Just.... OK.