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JKR & Britain’s “institutional transphobia”

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Vinniepolis · 10/10/2020 23:16

Has anyone read Time magazine’s interview with Monroe Bergdorf? The writer (a “drag performer, screenwriter and author”) makes so many sweeping and untrue statements in just the one para that I am a bit 😲😲😲... among them that Britain is “institutionally transphobic” and the plot of JKR’s new novel “propogates dangerous mistruths about transgender people”...

If anything, Britain’s institutions are wholly lost in trans-admiration, while JKR’s book just doesn’t!

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KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 11/10/2020 21:23

I thought it was quite funny how Time magazine blurred out MB's 'fuck you' in their tweet to Loreal, when they featured the tweet in the video on their website - swearing is vair unladylike you know Munroe Grin

Cailleach1 · 11/10/2020 20:25

I thought MB was more a potty mouth and vitriolic type. In my book, calling gay men poofs, lesbians barren and hairy and saying white people were all guilty of violent racism reflects quite a bit on the (lack of) character of speaker.

Not to mention inviting minors to contact them directly and thus ignoring all safeguarding.

This is all a matter of public record.

Oh and the 'speaking' delivered through, what strikes me as a highly affected cross between 'valley' drawl and an 'am I bothered' tone of Little Britain.

Sorry, I say that every time. However, I do find it remarkable the way people who themselves spout ugly things and don't even apologise for them have the gall to point fingers at others. The hypocrisy!

PotholeParadies · 11/10/2020 20:08

@Palindromic

I am bloody loving JKR’s new book - and the accusations of transphobia are ridiculous. But she goes for many of the secret sacred cows that underpin the TRA movement - MRAs, pro-pornography lib-fems, PornHub, trafficking and exploitation of ‘sex workers’, and I’m pretty sure an adult baby is coming up, although I’ve not got there yet so I may be wrong. She’s hugely intelligent and hugely angry and the novel’s radical feminism is being lost in this ‘but there’s a serial killer wearing a woman’s coat’ narrative. And of course, in one of the previous Strike novels her prosthetic wearing detective meets a ‘transabled’ activist. JKR knows exactly what she’s doing and I love her for it.
JK is clearly a mumsnetter. I just found a woman being told to get a SHL for her upcoming divorce. Grin
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 11/10/2020 20:00

when your entire identity depends on creating and maintaining a visual deception, it's not surprising that you seek to bend the truth to fit your narrative in other ways too

Very well put, and I have often thought this. I don't know where the rage comes from, though I did think MB was at least not aggressive, till I saw the list of vile comments MB had tweeted at women.

notyourhandmaid · 11/10/2020 19:30

Is being completely ignorant of all history and culture outside the US mandatory to be a TRA?

Yes. It's in the handbook. Alongside 'disdain for women' and 'resistance to facts'.

MaudTheInvincible · 11/10/2020 19:08

It wasn't The Times newspaper the article was published in, but Time magazine.

PostItJoyWeek · 11/10/2020 18:56

Surely JKR can sue them for that? I'd love to see them try to defend it in court. The Times anyway as a newspaper.

Less so SNL which is comedy, I doubt anyone takes Pete Davison seriously and they did do the Woke Jean thing which was very funny as well lots of cross dressing humour over the years. Does anyone expect proper truth from comedians doing political satire? Mind you JKR is not a politician.

Palindromic · 11/10/2020 17:58

I am bloody loving JKR’s new book - and the accusations of transphobia are ridiculous. But she goes for many of the secret sacred cows that underpin the TRA movement - MRAs, pro-pornography lib-fems, PornHub, trafficking and exploitation of ‘sex workers’, and I’m pretty sure an adult baby is coming up, although I’ve not got there yet so I may be wrong. She’s hugely intelligent and hugely angry and the novel’s radical feminism is being lost in this ‘but there’s a serial killer wearing a woman’s coat’ narrative. And of course, in one of the previous Strike novels her prosthetic wearing detective meets a ‘transabled’ activist. JKR knows exactly what she’s doing and I love her for it.

Wishingstarr · 11/10/2020 17:43

I detest that word "mistruths"

It's that awful mealy mouthed faux polite way of saying "lies"

Noone actually uses the word "mistruth" in conversation, it's gaslighting language

Its very patronizing, more self-righteous than you language that feels like control

It's actually controlling the narrative of truth and lies

Cismyfatarse1 · 11/10/2020 17:27

Amrou. The one who went to Eton and does drag for children (Denim. The reunion).

MondayYogurt · 11/10/2020 15:34

@BlueCatRedCat

MB is a drag performer? Since when?

Saturday Night Live slandering JKR last night - implying she is anti Semitic as well as transphobic (although, funnily enough, they don't say what she said that is apparently hate against trans people). Not surprised, they are the wokest of woke on this programme. Not going to link to it, but it's on Youtube under "Weekend Update: Pete Davidson on J.K. Rowling’s Transphobic Comments - SNL" if you are interested.

I really wish she would sue these people for defamation.

Pete Davidson who jokes about baby rape? That Pete Davidson?
SunsetBeetch · 11/10/2020 15:29

@Winesalot

How do they get away with writing such rubbish

Times has wandered far from the path of good journalism.

Most publications have. It's rather tragic.
SunsetBeetch · 11/10/2020 15:28

Ffffuck she actually said that, and it was printed? Shock

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/10/2020 15:15

One of the things that's truly bizarre about the whole "transphobic Britain" charge is that the UK has always been much more comfortable with cross-dressing men than the US.

Yes, didn't the US have a heart attack over the 'I Want To Break Free' music video? I think they were banned on MTV?

(Creepy coincidence, but my music just shuffled and IWTBF came on as I was typing 😱 I really am a witch!!)

Singasonga · 11/10/2020 15:09

One of the things that's truly bizarre about the whole "transphobic Britain" charge is that the UK has always been much more comfortable with cross-dressing men than the US. It's embedded in British panto (from the dawn of time), and in British comedy, fashion and pop from around 1960 onwards.

Is being completely ignorant of all history and culture outside the US mandatory to be a TRA?

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 11/10/2020 12:57

Also, Amrou, like their friend Munroe absolutely loves lecturing women about what they are and are not, and what feminism should be about. Twat.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transphobia-lgbt-capitalism-feminism-trans-women-rights-prejudice-a9173021.html

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 11/10/2020 12:51

This is Amrou Al Khadi Smile

AchieveBelieve · 11/10/2020 12:36

The interviewer was Amrou Al-Khadi who has written a book ‘Life as a Unicorn’. I don’t think Munroe has ever described themselves as a drag queen although she was a featured character in a TV show called The Drag Queens of London in 2014 - her profile on that show is attached.

I hate this insinuation that the U.K. is systemically transphobic. We’re just a country that doesn’t accept one of our most successful authors being viciously abused for simply stating that she believes in sex and sex protected spaces for victims of domestic violence, prisoners etc. And that we’re actually concerned that children are probably not best placed to decide they want to lose their fertility or any degree of sexual function at the age of 14 or 9, 10. Just because other countries ‘allow’ this we’re being made out to be some backwater that’s ‘behind the times’ rather than at the forefront of child safeguarding and ethical treatment. No one gives a stuff about anyone transitioning and living their life as an adult transman or transwoman as long as they’re not depriving women of the opportunities and fair play specifically set aside for women or denying women the choice of same sex intimate treatment/care if or when requested.

JKR & Britain’s “institutional transphobia”
JKR & Britain’s “institutional transphobia”
TheRealMcKenna · 11/10/2020 11:57

MB is a drag performer? Since when?

This summarises MB’s background pretty well:

HPFA · 11/10/2020 11:32

@AbsintheFriends

I'm going to try to express this carefully, but I think that when your entire identity depends on creating and maintaining a visual deception, it's not surprising that you seek to bend the truth to fit your narrative in other ways too.
It's the whole impossibility of building an identity that demands other people think of you as you would wish them too.

twitter.com/elizamondegreen/status/1313596570202505216

The rest of this thread is great as well.

BlueCatRedCat · 11/10/2020 09:53

Ah, apologies, Vinniepolis , that's actually clear from your OP, I misread (note to self: do not post on MN before first coffee of the day).

Vinniepolis · 11/10/2020 09:49

@BlueCatRedCat just to clear, it wasn’t MB who said those things but the person who interviewed MB and wrote the article - and that person describes him/herself as a drag artist etc.

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KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 11/10/2020 09:34

@AbsintheFriends

I'm going to try to express this carefully, but I think that when your entire identity depends on creating and maintaining a visual deception, it's not surprising that you seek to bend the truth to fit your narrative in other ways too.
Yes!
NotTerfNorCis · 11/10/2020 09:30

AbsintheFriends you've hit the nail in the head there. It's why we see so many blatant alternative facts floating around. The line between reality and fantasy is blurred.

DaisiesandButtercups · 11/10/2020 09:28

AbsintheFriends

Absolutely.