World Rugby Guidelines out

Discussed here in this excellent podcast with Ross Tucker - aca.st/8438b6

This is a better link:

www.change.org/p/rugby-football-union-rfu-board-should-be-replaced

What I don’t understand is all the calls for “more evidence before we decide” Or “there were no studies specific to rugby” what is the evidence they demand? a comparative study of the number of women seriously injured by trans women with a control group of women injured by other women? How many injured women would there need to be to make this statistically significant? Over what time course?

Surely the burden of evidence is for the sports bodies to prove that it’s safe and fair for them to participate... someone on another thread cited the battles Oscar pistorius has over many years to prove they conferred no advantage to be allowed to run on his blades.

This wouldn’t happen in any other field of safety testing... new medicines first have to be tested for safety, if it is not known whether a drug is safe/not safe in pregnancy for example, it is not licensed for use in this group. They don’t just say, ah let’s give it to some pregnant women and we can ban it later if it proves to be harmful.

How many times is this Blair bloke going to say "actually"?

Being discussed on GMB now. Sharon Davies representing women in sport.

The Black Ferns (NZ women's rugby team) asked their national governing body to go along with World Rugby recommendations in preventing male players from joining the women's game - and the national body rejected their petition on the grounds that they (the Black Ferns) didn't understand the issues!

For fucks sake, the women understand the issues completely. Of course.

I'm still shaking my head over how disappointed all these male organisations and people are that female people are being protected from career destroying injury or death.

So ruddy disappointing.

@andyoldlabour
The men had spent their entire career playing women’s football. The problem had been identified for at least 4 years before any steps were taken as the first concerns were raised in 2010 but final action wasn’t taken until 2015. So the women who played against them were put at risk for years. This is completely analogous to most grass roots sport.

"I had a chat with my male colleagues about the Iranian women’s football team."

Totally different to the Hubbard/Mouncey/McKinnon scenarios IMHO. It was an Iranian FA official who spotted the males in a training session and had them booted out. They never actually played any matches and the Iranian women's team hardly ever plays outside the country.

Lol! The NZ women’s team don’t understand the issues!

‘Sams really vulnerable’
‘But they’re 6ft 5! How vulnerable can they be?’
‘You don’t understand, they need to be taken seriously and wear womans clothes to feel womanly’
‘But they haven’t had any surgery and we wear practically the same all-black kit as the men?’
‘It’s not safe for them to play with men, we can’t put them at risk of injury’
‘But the females could get injured’
‘They’ll feel more comfortable when they’re in the women’s changing room’
‘WE WONT!’

Strange how all the rugby clubs who are deeply disappointed with world rugby appear to be made up entirely of gay or bi men. They always describe themselves as LGBTQ rugby clubs but strangely the photos are always of quite obviously male ppl...odd that

www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/local-sport/aberdeen-taexali-hugely-disappointed-by-world-rugbys-transgender-women-decision/

I had a chat with my male colleagues about the Iranian women’s football team. They are all keen football fans. They got the issue straight away.

cutted up pear

I was reminded of this when the Liz Truss statement came out.

Anyway, this has given me more to talk about in RL. Sport is a really obvious area for lots of blokes to get. So that's good.

Anyone had a response from British cycling? I need to write

I find NZ's stance on this really shameful.

From a young age, NZ children are taught that the most important thing in sport is playing fair. "Play hard but play fair" is the lesson we're taught over and over again. It's in advertising from the All Blacks, in every sports competition, in all the games you play at school. Or at least it was like that before I moved to the UK.

And now there's Laurel Hubbard, and this attitude from NZRFU, apparently, and I guess that's why NZ is doubling down on the TWAW thing, because otherwise we're cheating.

national body rejected their petition on the grounds that they (the Black Ferns) didn't understand the issues!

It's unbelievable. A point made brilliantly in the video is that they should be knocking at the door to prove that 'mixed sex works', rather than women having to prove the blindingly obvious ... same point mentioned up thread a number of times too. we all know this.

Jesus H Christ! Ro Edge spilling the beans on the situation in NZ.

The Black Ferns (NZ women's rugby team) asked their national governing body to go along with World Rugby recommendations in preventing male players from joining the women's game - and the national body rejected their petition on the grounds that they (the Black Ferns) didn't understand the issues!

It's like some crazy real-life version of the Fast Show's "Women: Know your limits" sketch.

Yet again I find myself hearing "Women have no idea how much men hate them" echoing in my head.

Linda Blade points out that World Rugby didn't need to comment on community sport as it's outside their jurisdiction - they should have stuck to international rules and left it at that.

3 ladies discussing World Rugby now. some interesting points.

Linda Blade saying that mixed sex in sports will result in girl 'learned helplessness'.

Ro Edge saying that people agree in private but too afraid to speak out.

[quote FindTheTruth]@TheFleegleHasLanded

Transgender women in rugby union: Mixed reaction to World Rugby decision
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54491179

World Rugby says transgender women cannot compete in women's elite contact rugby
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54484287[/quote]
The first of those is the article after the BBC had edited it. Originally it was missing the two paragraphs on reaction from the LGB Alliance and had a much more inflammatory headline.

Fleegle wanted to see the before and after versions.

The reason this matters is that the vast majority of readers of the BBC website will only have read the earlier biased version, and will have come away with the erroneous take home message "world rugby in random, egregious transphobic ban on transwomen."

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Transgender women in rugby union: Mixed reaction to World Rugby decision
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54491179

World Rugby says transgender women cannot compete in women's elite contact rugby
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54484287

Did anyone archive the original version of the article?

I would like to do a compare and contrast but have been unable to find the original so far...

😂cutted up pear

I can’t believe (well I can) Stonewall would sell out lesbians in pursuit of a trans purity spiral but they’re committed aren’t they, on a trajectory? They have to support “trans” women being women in every possible way because they’ve stuck their stake in the ground now.

Do agree. It's the kind of overdramatic flounce you get when you ask your teen to do the washing up, and they storm upstairs slamming doors and declaring that you've never loved them. Cutted up pear in a bigger body.