Langcleg is vindicated

When you're discussing child safeguarding, it is black and white

and this. there are rules and guidelines to safeguard children

we know that when bad things have been allowed to happen to children it's often the case that if those rules and guidelines had been followed, the bad things couldn't, or would have been less likely to happen

but people are lazy
people like to be perceived as kind
people don't understand how devious and driven abusers are
people wrongly think they can spot the wrong 'uns so it's OK to make exceptions

I’m not referring to safeguarding obviously safe guarding is important but to say that this particular poster only ever posted about safeguarding is obviously a huge stretch.
And she regularly referred to coercive control with regards to mumsnet or posters or people, which completely trivialises a crime which sees women completely isolated and in fear every single day.

I know she’s worshiped here, I’m just saying I don’t agree from what I’ve seen. Obviously agree to disagree.

If there are men who aren't of that ilk - that's their problem.

I miss her, and she was right and she changed the way I think about some important things

I miss her too. If you're reading this, Lang, hope you have a great day. xx

When you're discussing child safeguarding, it is black and white.

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’.

No

she didn't conform to some mimsy view of how women should express themselves

this is the feminism board

you may want to adjust your expectations accordingly

(mimsy is my new favourite word today)

I particularly disliked the way she trivialised cohesive control, at a time when woman all over were fighting for it to be taken more seriously as a crime

I don’t believe she did this

At all

Can i have a link pleasse

Moonbasealpha
And forcing women to refer to males as 'She' is all that is good and kind, yes?

How many fingers?

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’. I particularly disliked the way she trivialised cohesive control, at a time when woman all over were fighting for it to be taken more seriously as a crime.

I’m baffled as to why I’m meant to be upset that male born ppl don’t feel welcome on FWR

This is the feminist board - it centres women

I won't be happy as long as I know that children are being medically damaged because their delusions are being supported by adults.

And I also won't be happy until only women play in women's sports.

And only women are in women's prisons.

And I don't have to check that news reports about women are actually about women.

But by far the highest priority has got to be protecting children from irreversible damage.

Nope.

Self id is already embedded into practice in many places. It's already being pushed again by TRAs and Stonewall and Mermaids are still in force.

Meanwhile they've done their damage. An entire generation of children and teachers seem to be indoctrinated in the notion that gender stereotypes and preferences somehow meaning something about your biological sex. They truly believe that sex can be changed and that its just an internal feeling. And the forces like the stereotyping and pornification of women in society which drive some young women towards trying to identify out of "womanhood" (and some men into it) are still strong and out there.

We've seen one tiny temporary legal win, but we're nowhere near close to addressing the huge misogyny or hatred behind it all.

'Chased off' meaning in fact, explaining and putting the argument forward as to how women's needs and safeguarding needs can't just be put in a box out of sight. And refusing to do this.

No, I rarely see actually opposing views. I frequently see women here imploring those who support the ideology attacking women's rights to explain and give those views. But they never get explanation or anyone who can discuss it. They get a whole lot of (to summarise) just be kind, you're all a bunch of nasty people, there's no point in trying to explain anything, you're intolerant of other views (although I've put none forward and am making it clear that I'm absolutely intolerant of your woman-centred and safeguarding centred views) etc etc.

You can find this on many threads. I was shocked the other day that an activist did actually make it clear what their views were . They were not views I could agree with since they were quite extreme ones, but there was someone willing to say 'I think this, because this'.

I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’

well yes. they are men

(To moonbase)

Bollocks.

Posters are posting here about trans issues because of cases such as the Keira Bell case and because many young people are still caught up in the phase.

Safeguarding issues around it and other RSE related things, issues with porn and a wide range of other linked stuff still needs to be addressed.

There's been no magic wand.

What exactly is the problem? I haven’t seen trans women posting on this forum now for months, maybe longer. Posters have successfully chased all trans people off here.
Self ID is no more. So that’s been successfully shelved.

I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’. That’s what’s going on here.

I learned a lot from Lang. She was challenging , but that's fine unless you think some mimsy version of civility is the be all and end all as MNHQ seem to. But only for women, natch. men get to say what they think.

even if it's some nonsense about how women on a feminism board should be nice to men because some of them have nieces. or something

I miss her, and she was right and she changed the way I think about some important things

Yes, I rarely see an opposing view. When you've got overwhelming evidence, statistics, logic and reality in your corner, it's difficult to be opposed, to be honest.

What I see is goady nonsense, endless filibustering, sea lioning, disapproval and attempts at censorship, without a single actual opposing view in sight.

(Unless you include calling a violent flasher who sexually humiliates vulnerable women, 'the real victim here'.)

Not sure Who what the 'opposing views' on concern about child safeguarding might be?

Well yes. You’d think everyone would be concerned about child safeguarding wouldn’t you?

Not sure Who what the 'opposing views' on concern about child safeguarding might be? It's where MN has fallen down and appears bizarre and dangerous that naming that led to her being silenced. For many women here it exposed connections and political blind spots that some groups don't want talked about.

Tinsel I hadn’t realised that and what a sad consequence.

So much for supporting parents,