STONEWALL ARE HOSTING AN ANTI-MISOGYNY WORKSHOP I’M NOT EVEN KIDDING

Simple not smile... although they were probably smiling when they thought this one up...

If the definition of a woman within law for hate crime includes self identified MTF trans people, that weakens the legal position still further that a woman is an adult human female.

Yep - you were obviously a fly on the wall at Stonewall’s misstrategy meeting.

Shout loud to all. Stonewall is now the epitome of homophobia and misogyny.

This is really disappointing. I have been following and supporting Stella Creasy's campaign for a little while, and it seemed to be really sensible - she talked about misogyny being a sex based issue etc, but then she deleted several tweets in response to this campaign as being transphobic and 'not in the spirit' of this campaign. And now this with Stonewall - I'm well and truly out!!

It's a PR exercise designed to head off (rightful) accusations that they're a bunch of misogynists.

Please respond to the Law Commission Consultation to make it clear you want the hate crime based on sex not gender. This is one of the things they are asking.

Actively campaigning to allow males in women's rugby, despite clear evidence that this would lead to not just grotesque unfairness, but risk of life altering injuries and deaths, and calling lesbians who protest that no, actually, dick is not part of their definition transphobes... and then pretending to GAF about women, or indeed gay people.

Or this is so they can say "How can you say we're misogynistic? Look, we're fighting against misogyny"

Or, all of the above.

why the fuck are Stonewall hosting this instead of an actual woman's charity?

Yes, it's odd. Are they trying to gradually reposition themselves as the champions of every protected characteristic (and a few more besides)? The campaigning body for everyone except (apologies) 'CisHet white men' ... and them too if they have a kink or feel like they fit some other category.

*highame

It's about getting transwomen included in any legislation - that's my guess*

Yes.

To have a law including misogyny as a hate crime, misogyny would have to be defined. The Equality Act definition of a woman is "a female of any age". If the definition of a woman within law for hate crime includes self identified MTF trans people, that weakens the legal position still further that a woman is an adult human female.

It's about getting transwomen included in any legislation - that's my guess

why the fuck are Stonewall hosting this instead of an actual woman's charity? I mean geuinely this is the equivalent of Age UK hosting a seminar on youth services! Their mission is LGBTQ etc and while of course lesbians are impacted by misogyny (especially from stonewall itself) shouldnt work on women's issues be done by an organisation whose sole focus is women?

as for stella Creasy her endless handmaidening and inability to define what a woman is, means she too can get in the bin

Sue Fish has been on this for a while - its painful that she has to share a panel with them

Not if they help write the definition.

So if misogyny becomes a hate crime, does that mean we'll finally be able to hold Stonewall to account?

If they make misogyny a hate crime I'm almost certain the first person arrested will be a woman.

That's the way these things work.

Britain's first "transgender hate crime prosecution" was brought against a trans person by a non-trans person. On behalf of the TRA lobby.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-collapsed-case-shows-the-perils-of-policing-transphobia-

Of course this would end up being used the same ironic way.

Although I'm not sure it would make a lot of practical difference. They would already have you for "transphobia", so not sure that having you down for "transphobia + misogyny" particularly changes the basic fact they're trying to drag you through court for "hate".

Misogyny will never become a hate crime, because no one can describe what a woman is any more.

I can't see any comments on that link.

Have they binned them all?

I'm not good at working Twitter.

So I'd want to keep a close eye on Peter's involvement with this.

ne-np.facebook.com/PeterTatchellFoundation/posts/misogyny-should-be-made-a-hate-crime-says-the-law-commission-we-agree-race-relig/3559660524066282/

I won't share what I think Stonewall has become, because it might get deleted and I might get hit w ith the banhammer. I do think they've abandoned their core principles in the years since equal marriage, which is a shame. I support gay rights, always have done as I believe the gay friends I have, and have had, deserve equal treatment to me and other straight people, but now they don't seem to support that. For shame.

Alongside that other paragon of feminism Stella Creasy

Yes, Stella who recently asked women to share their experiences of misogyny (I assume it was for this project with Stonewall) and then blocked those with "wrong" experiences.
Hilarious.

Stonewall preaching against misogyny. There’s not enough sarcasm in the world to express my response. Words have failed me.