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A statement regarding eligibility for the Women's Prize for Fiction

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HecatesCat · 05/10/2020 13:05

Well it's 'In our terms and conditions the word 'woman' equates to a cis woman, transgender woman or anyone who is legally defined as a woman or of the female sex'

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ArabellaScott · 06/10/2020 10:17

Possible, Malahaha, and it has been quite some years since I worked in the industry as a day job. It may change yet!

AbsintheFriends · 06/10/2020 10:17

Posting the whole article (though no time to do the italics!) It's generally OK, though how anyone can say with a straight face that the publishing industry is transphobic is completely baffling. Do they live in an actual ivory tower??

Article -

The Women's Prize has issued a statement saying that eligibility for the prize extends to "all women" where a woman is defined as "a cis woman, a transgender woman or anyone who is legally defined as a woman or of the female sex".

The clarification was provided after writer Akwaeke Emezi, who identifies as non-binary, said on social media they would be required to provide information on their "sex as defined by law" by organisers. They were longlisted for 2019's prize for their debut novel Freshwater (Faber) but under the new terms and conditions will not be able to enter new novel The Death of Vivek Oji (Faber).

The prize emphasised it seeks to celebrate "the experience of being a woman in all its varied forms". However, organisers confirmed that "anyone who wishes to enter must also be legally defined as a woman or of the female sex to be able to do so". The two key documents required to demonstrate this are birth certificate or a gender recognition certificate.

The policy means transgender women who have yet to legally change their gender would not be able to enter. In 2018, the government revealed that only 4,910 people had legally changed their gender since the Gender Recognition Act came into force in 2004. Individuals who identify as non-binary would only be able to enter if legally their gender is female.

Joanna Prior, chair of trustees for the award, said: "The Women’s Prize for Fiction was founded 25 years ago to honour, celebrate and champion women's voices, and to shine a spotlight on phenomenal fiction written by women. Over the past quarter of a century, the prize has publicly championed and amplified a diverse breadth of women's voices, and holds the principle of freedom of expression among its core values.

"As a prize which celebrates the voices of women and the experience of being a woman in all its varied forms, we are proud to include as eligible for submission full-length novels written in English by all women. In our terms and conditions, the word 'woman' equates to a cis woman, a transgender woman or anyone who is legally defined as a woman or of the female sex.

"The Trustees of the Women's Prize Trust would like to reassert that we are firmly opposed to any form of discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, sexuality or gender identity."

Emezi said on Monday that the Women’s Prize had informed their publisher, Faber, that "the information we would require from you regards Akwaeke Emezi's sex as defined by law", strongly criticising the policy.

"Forget about me–I don’t want this prize—but anyone who uses this kind of language does not fuck with trans women either, so when they say it’s for women, they mean cis women. And yes, this does mean that them longlisting [Freshwater] was transphobic," Emezi wrote on Twitter.

"It’s fine for me not to be eligible because I’m not a woman! But you not about to be out here on some ‘sex as defined by law’ like that’s not a weapon used against trans women."

The Women's Prize said in the aftermath of Emezi's longlisting in 2019 that it was "working to formulate a policy around gender fluid/transgender/transgender non-binary writers to provide clarity for the Prize in the future".

Reaction to the Women's Prize's stance has been mixed, with reaction ranging from those who welcomed its inclusion of trans women to those who took issue that the prize doesn't allow for self-identification, requiring verification of sex by legal documents, and to those who strong criticised the admittance of any trans women to the prize at all.

One comment on the announcement read: "Why say you unequivocally welcome trans women for the prize and then in the same breath define a woman 'legally' or by 'female sex'? if you support trans people - why bring law and sex, both used to invalidate our identities, into the conversation at all? Genuinely don't get it."

Another said: "Have a separate prize for transgender women, by all means. But keep the Women's Prize for women. Women authors deserve that. Women's rights were hard-won, and you're giving them away."

"Honestly horrified by the bile this has received," came opinion from another camp. "A welcome and overdue clarification that goes a small way to addressing some of the transphobia in this industry."

MaryBCH · 06/10/2020 10:16

This old lady regards the term “cis-woman” as a slur.

Malahaha · 06/10/2020 10:12

@ArabellaScott

Some sectors are doing well - cookbooks and ghost written memoirs. I think various factors are putting so much pressure on litfic in particular that it's probably not sustainable as an art form. I've seen advances cut and cut and cut and then scrapped, many friends leave the writing world as they just can't justify what has become effectively a hobby. Copywriting, even, has been so undercut by globalisation that other income streams for writers have also dried up. It's been an ongoing downward spiral since the net book deal was scrapped and supermarket books took over. Authors used to write a book every couple of years, are now pressured to put out two or three a year. For those reasons! I mean, people are producing books in huge quantities, but it'd be interesting to look at who is and how - increasingly I suspect it's more and more wealthy people who can afford to or 'celebs' with a name in another field. Author is not a vocation/profession like it used to be.
You've left out digital first publishing, which has revolutionised the industry. I know several writers who went this route after years of not being published. Within a year, having been picked up by excellent digital-first publishers, they've left their day jobs and some have sold over a million books. Many, many writers are going this route now. So it might be true that the traditional way of doing things is slowing down, but as publishers adapt, things will change and move forward.
Malahaha · 06/10/2020 10:08

In 2018, the government revealed that only 4,910 people had legally changed their gender since the Gender Recognition Act came into force in 2004.

And how many of those are writers? This is good.

Cwenthryth · 06/10/2020 10:07

What a shitshow, they seem to have managed to upset both trans activists/gender believers as well as feminists/women’s SBR lobby!

Maya posted a thread giving some background.... twitter.com/mforstater/status/1313177787809828869?s=21 it all started as a non-binary person was offended that they were included for a women’s prize?

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2020 10:05
  • sorry, that was a response to Malahaha.
ArabellaScott · 06/10/2020 10:04

Some sectors are doing well - cookbooks and ghost written memoirs. I think various factors are putting so much pressure on litfic in particular that it's probably not sustainable as an art form. I've seen advances cut and cut and cut and then scrapped, many friends leave the writing world as they just can't justify what has become effectively a hobby. Copywriting, even, has been so undercut by globalisation that other income streams for writers have also dried up. It's been an ongoing downward spiral since the net book deal was scrapped and supermarket books took over. Authors used to write a book every couple of years, are now pressured to put out two or three a year. For those reasons! I mean, people are producing books in huge quantities, but it'd be interesting to look at who is and how - increasingly I suspect it's more and more wealthy people who can afford to or 'celebs' with a name in another field. Author is not a vocation/profession like it used to be.

Kit19 · 06/10/2020 10:02

That’s good to know Abs - I wonder if they’ll stick to it....

AbsintheFriends · 06/10/2020 09:49

Clarification via The Bookseller:

The prize emphasised it seeks to celebrate "the experience of being a woman in all its varied forms". However, organisers confirmed that "anyone who wishes to enter must also be legally defined as a woman or of the female sex to be able to do so". The two key documents required to demonstrate this are birth certificate or a gender recognition certificate.

The policy means transgender women who have yet to legally change their gender would not be able to enter. In 2018, the government revealed that only 4,910 people had legally changed their gender since the Gender Recognition Act came into force in 2004. Individuals who identify as non-binary would only be able to enter if legally their gender is female.

Malahaha · 06/10/2020 09:39

...because I think it's the exact opposite. These prizes do not really affect the industry. Readers aren't particularly interested, and it's readers who drive the industry.

Malahaha · 06/10/2020 09:22

@ArabellaScott

the publishing industry is dying on its arse.

I think it is, but it's turning out to be a long, protracted and painful death.

Kantastic has not replied to the same statement. Why do YOU think so?
AntsInPenzance · 06/10/2020 08:43

I would welcome and support a writing prize exclusively for trans authors, which would actually be a better way of promoting trans authors than this nonsense.

NewlyGranny · 06/10/2020 08:41

Oh, I haven't read any Lissa Evans - thanks for the tip! I'll put the first one on my reading list. Just began the first Robert Galbraith Cormoran Strike late last night, so I can flit between series if I like the Evans, too.

I miss PD James so much and Susan Hill seems to have come to a standstill with the Seraillier series, so it's great to find new (to me) women writers.

I must say I'd like to read a novel by a transwoman though, just to get a glimpse into the world view and creative process of someone whose life has undergone a seismic shift.

Whether or not you agree with literary prizes or any sort of awards restricted to women, if that's the purpose they are set up for, they need to stick to it or be open about altering their reason for existing, not waffle on about the meaning of the word woman not being static, like the Australian lot. Sheesh!

How come men are nice and static and women are the ones being redefined all over the place without consultation or consent?!

RoyalCorgi · 06/10/2020 08:16

The author Lissa Evans had asked her publishers not to submit her novel for this prize.

Good. Lissa (who used to produce Father Ted - so, all the best people etc) is a wonderful novelist. Please do buy her books. You won't regret it. The latest one, V for Victory, is part of a trilogy (The others are Crooked Heart and Old Baggage) and is a fantastic read.

SmallPug · 06/10/2020 06:47

@notyourhandmaid I think trans specific spaces/ awards etc are rejected as not ‘validating’. Many (not all) want full validation of their imaginary status as women/ men. There is that Jessica Kingsley Writing prize - but as someone further up has stated, anyone could enter. In fact, I think people should self-ID as non-binary and enter it.

notyourhandmaid · 05/10/2020 22:45

The bad, breast-obsessed writing about women that is found in much male writing is replicated in work by trans women. Do we really need to encourage this?

Even if we were to allow for someone feeling like a woman (i.e. identifying with a cluster of gender-based stereotypes), and feeling uncomfortable being treated as a man for much of their life, that doesn't make that treatment less preferential.

The disadvantages that women face in the literary world are due to their sex, and are different to those experienced by trans or non-binary individuals. This award was set up to remedy the former issue.

To have an award (OK, a big award; I know there are smaller ones out there) that specifically focuses on trans and non-binary writers would include trans men, who get quite a raw deal from this, and mean that every year a trans writer would be highlighted, instead of being a possible winner of an award for women.

The unwillingness to create trans-specific anything and instead demand entrance into women's hard-won spaces of all kinds is so dysfunctional and unpleasant.

EvenSupposing · 05/10/2020 21:56

a poorly written statement, especially as it is from a literary organisation.

Yes. I'll feel better if I know that the irony klaxon has been sounded loud and clear on this thread.

This is an organisation judging people's ability to communicate in writing ShockBlushBiscuit

BlackWaveComing · 05/10/2020 21:04

I think this is my straw (camel's back etc).

Tory rejection of self ID aside, women and girls the world over are not allowed anything for themselves. Their very identity must be shared with men.

Women's prizes exist because of a structural inequity - see VIDA - and have a role, regardless of whether you like the winning work.

Opening the prize because there is data showing the inequity in reviews and prizes by sex is resolved is one thing. Opening it when women's work, regardless of merit, received less career boosting attention than men's? It's a wholesale acceptance and promotion of sexism - the idea that women are worth less - in the literary world.

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2020 20:41

the publishing industry is dying on its arse.

I think it is, but it's turning out to be a long, protracted and painful death.

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 05/10/2020 20:39

Going to buy some of her books in solidarity

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 05/10/2020 20:34

The author Lissa Evans had asked her publishers not to submit her novel for this prize.

SapphosRock · 05/10/2020 20:19

There needs to be a rule that trans people with a GRC must wait a set period of time (say 3 years) before being eligible for these types of things.

A bit of lived experience as a woman should surely be essential before receiving a women's prize.

Malahaha · 05/10/2020 19:39

not that it matters much because the publishing industry is dying on its arse.

Really? What makes you think that?

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