The Guardian again

My jaw drops when I read about social justice types feeling comfortable about being racist towards Asian Americans because they're "white adjacent".

I was watching a Tim Pool clip recently and he was saying that, when people point out that X group can't be white supremacist as they have Black and Hispanic members, the comeback is to refer to 'multiracial white supremacy', which is quite the
breathtaking catch all.

[quote StandWitch]This is the charmer who 'wants to dox all of Mumsnet'

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087364360593379329[/quote]
That was nearly two years ago. C'mon Emily, get a shuftie on...

I've had run ins with that person on Twitter who objected to my stance on women's rights and threatened me.

Ha! calledyoulastnight a bit of a similar vibe crosspost re. The vaccines there

Just noticing the ‘lumping together’ of types in that article and slightly veering off topic. I find it interesting how ‘anti-Vaxxers’ have been positioned in very recent times. 10-15 years ago when I was researching vaccines for my own kids, anyone who was anti-vaccines then was more likely to be a vegetarian, left-winger, yoga- practicing type. Not particularly ‘rabid’ in their views just a bit ‘off the beaten track’ of the mainstream (although there were a few of the tin-hatted, conspiracy theorist varieties too). I admit to reading and researching loads and deviating away from the mainstream and questioning that maybe some vaccines were unnecessary, or ineffective, or not worth the risk and I agonised over it all. I remember the absolute vitriol on the boards here where anyone even considering not having every single vaccine was accused of irresponsibility, selfishness etc... and being berated by the likes of Miriam Stoppard. Or by people who had not even looked at any literature that even discussed the opposite viewpoint and felt an envy for their certainty and faith. I had some scepticism. I made my decision in the end but it wasn’t an easy one and what that decision was doesn’t really matter. I went through a process of trying to understand, to delve a little behind the acceptable mainstream thinking and I didn’t think there was anything wrong with that. It was strange to feel that by my even countenancing an alternative view I was being ‘othered’ and seen as ‘bad’ or ‘whacko’.

Now I see that anti-vaxxers are thought about in the same way as Right wing white supremacist. Not ‘dog on string’ Antifa types. I find this regrouping quite interesting and a bit of a shift. Is it just me that’s thinking this? Because it’s quite a dislocating feeling. And it’s starting to give me a similar vibe to the trans argument. As someone who believes a simple truth that women are women and TransWomen are TransWomen I find myself feeling like I’ve been pushed over into a group I don’t belong too. I’m being caricatured as someone who is racist, right- wing, close-minded, religious etc... and it’s insane and if it didn’t carry such far- reaching consequences, it would be funny. Where’s the intelligence gone? The examining of arguments, thought, common sense?

This is probably a garbled load of nonsense but I guess what I’m trying to say is that ‘someone’ has Arbitrarily moved the goalposts of my life and I want to know how that has happened and why. Why am I made to feel the villain when all I’ve wanted is for women not to be shat on from a great height. HOW have all these people come to accept as mainstream what would have been thought of as ‘out there’ and ‘niche’ 10-15 years ago? And how can they not see how this has happened and how utterly strange it is.

Anyone get what I’m saying? By the way the whole vaccine ‘debate’ isn’t anything I want to get into. It’s just a means of communicating what it feels like to be ‘positioned’ by others in society in a way that doesn’t sit with your own feeling of where you should be.

I think this shows the direction the Guardian is heading. Any opinion it doesn’t like it chucked in a very offensively labelled bin. Is the Guardian still in dire financial straits? Because I’m not bloody surprised.

Fifteen years ago I was your typical Guardian reader. Female, environmentally conscious, feminist. I wouldn’t use it to line the hamster cage now. Oh and I am cautious about vaccines and whilst my kids are vaccinated in the main, I check a lot of stuff out first. That this makes me a right wing terrorist - well thanks for that Guardian! You used to embrace difficult debates and now you don’t even discuss them

This is the charmer who 'wants to dox all of Mumsnet'

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087364360593379329

It's the incredible level of amazing bravery that's impressed me most about this.

It's not actually the misogyny which bothers me but the way it is intended to discredit everyone who isn't a full on wokey- cokey/social justice warrior.

"If you're not with us - you're a Nazi"

It's the Guardian US rather than the UK version. The US version is a complete joke.

Basically that article is intended to brand anyone and everyone who is not fully on-board with whatever the latest leftist intolerance is.

It talks about The Proud Boys, who are indefensible, but the indiscriminate littering of "Nazis" and "fascism" and talking up of Antifa shows up the real agenda.

I suppose the only comfort is the vast majority of the population, both American and British will be "extreme right wing" by her definition.

Complete and utter b/s.

Non white cultures have historically (and currently!) had no problem being xenophobic, sexist, homophobic etc all on their own.

This is ahistorical discourse.

So we're up there with the people who rammed a car into Heather Heyer?

I mean come on. At least try to connect with reality.

I am always suspicious of anyone who thinks that they are under police surveillance. It seems to be a standard bit of self-aggrandisement from activists who identify as left-wing. Do these people have any idea of how expensive and resource-intensive surveillance is? Emily, let’s be honest, you’re just not important enough to be interesting to the FBI.

Wow. The Guardian published a feminist thinkpiece (by Susanna Rustin) on 30 Sep, and then managed to restrain itself for one whole day before vomiting this muck over women. It must have been hurting, bottling it up for so long.

So campaigning for single sex spaces that Muslim and Jewish women can actually use is anti Muslim and antisemitic? But all the TRAs openly mocking the Muslim and Jewish women who were upset that they could no longer use the hampstead women's pond, or the LibDims appropriating sections out of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism to make it about transphobia, those things are cool? DARVO intensifies. Also, whilst I don't agree with antivaxxers, in my experience they are mostly left wing, anti Western medicine, crunchy types. Theres loads in my group for long term breastfeeding and the idea that they are in anyway white supremacists is bonkers. Given that the vast majority of TRAs seem to be middle aged white men trying to destroy the spaces set up to keep women, and especially women of colour and faith, safe and able to participate in public life, I'd say that "freedom fighter" is talking deliberate shit. Interesting that they call themselves a freedom fighter as well. One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist and all that.

The overlap between Labour SJWs and trans activism would suggest a fair bit of projection going on to make such a statement. Up to DARVO levels.

You’ll see antisemitic posts about how the initial researchers on “transgenderism” in the early 20th century were Jewish, which is a fact. Then they say it’s the Jews funding medical studies on trans healthcare

I have never once seen anything like this on GC forums, and I've been reading this stuff for years now.

Oh, wait, I get it now, 'trans freedom' means fighting against freedom, cool.

What absolute, toxic bullshit.

and there is more

www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/trans-freedom-fighters

This freedom fighter moved abroad and compiled a speadsheet, even without the libel that is a truly awful article.