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Ellie's frozen sperm

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Davros · 30/09/2020 10:54

On Victoria Darbyshire now. Sorry for title, can't think fast enough

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TheCraicDealer · 30/09/2020 13:55

IIRC Ellie died suddenly due to a cardiac arrest. It's a similar case in a lot of ways to Mrs M vs. HFEA which resulted in a woman (aged 60) being allowed to take her adult DD's eggs to the US for fertilization. The intention there was that the mother would carry her deceased DD's eggs once fertilized. However her DD was very clear that she wanted her eggs stored and used in the event of her death, but the forms meant to be completed confirming her wishes were not filled out. It's not known whether a baby resulted from that case.

Ellie was 16; would they even have been in a position to understand the moral or ethical implications of creating a life knowing that child will never have a family member closer than a grandparent or aunt/uncle? Yes people are raised happily by extended family all the time, but it's one thing doing it out of necessity and another to assist in conception where that's clear from the outset.

It's a very sad case, but the rights of the hypothetical child born out of this arrangement must take precedence rather than those of the deceased or their remaining relatives.

Davros · 30/09/2020 13:40

So much to question here. Why was Ellie transitioning so young? How/why did she die? What about the rights and feelings of any baby produced in this dubious way? And much more I'm sure. The poor mother of Ellie must have been to hell and back but this seems all wrong to me

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MojoJojo71 · 30/09/2020 13:24

I feel for her mum, she must be in a lot of pain but that doesn’t give her the right to deliberately bring a ‘grandchild’ into the world. This poor baby would be taken aware from its birth mother into a situation where it would have no parents, only a grandmother. Even if you agree with surrogacy, which I’m not sure I do, this is just wrong.

ChelseaCat · 30/09/2020 12:59

Very sad but no one has the right to grandchildren 🤷‍♀️

okeydokeywokeyblokey · 30/09/2020 12:57

I feel sorry for the mother, imagine she just wants a part of her child back but this should not happen. What if something happens to the mother and the created baby is left alone? Also disagree with surrogacy. What a minefield!

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