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DD selling her body online

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Throwaway966846 · 29/09/2020 23:43

Throwaway so it isn't linked to my account.
HELP please
My DD19 has informed me that she has been making adult videos and 'camming' to help pay for uni living. Sad

I feel so let down. I no longer know the strong young woman I raised, I'm sure she's been influenced by uni friends that 'sex work is work' and empowering to do. Angry
I don't know what to do, I don't want to alienate her but I can't stomach the thought of her selling her body online. How can I persuade her to stop? I feel like I've failed as a mother Sad

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lurkingdh · 23/07/2021 09:54

[quote FannyCann]Here you are OP: A DIY guide to feminist cyber security.

hackblossom.org/cybersecurity/[/quote]
Techie here with a special interest in security.

That's an excellent resource with uniformly sound advice throughout. Everyone should follow their recommendations for everything online, camming or not.

I'd be more than happy to explain/help others who want to start doing so.

PieceOfString · 23/07/2021 09:15

[quote FannyCann]Here you are OP: A DIY guide to feminist cyber security.

hackblossom.org/cybersecurity/[/quote]
That's amazing, thanks for posting this, very useful. 🙌

annadjinn · 23/07/2021 09:05

It's actually got 853 signatures in just two days. But yes, we really need to get a massive number. So do please share widely and consider writing personal messages to friends and colleagues asking them to sign. Numbers are really important for this.

pollypocketlover · 23/07/2021 08:48

[quote annadjinn]In December last year, the University of Leicester released a toolkit that claims to be aimed at supporting “students who are already sex workers” but reads more like a guide to getting into the sex industry. Worryingly they have secured funding to roll this out to universities and colleges around the UK.

Nordic Model Now! has set up a petition calling on them to revoke it and return to the drawing board.

PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE THIS PETITION. We believe that only the pressure of public opinion is likely to get them to change their minds, so please encourage everyone you know to sign and share it too. Thank you!

www.change.org/p/university-of-leicester-revoke-the-university-of-leicester-student-sex-work-policy-and-toolkits[/quote]
This petition has so few signatures. This is the constant battle we face with the violation of women's rights, it's never reported on so no ever knows about it. Please everyone share this petition, it's barely got 500 signatures currently.

FlyPassed · 23/07/2021 07:37

Bumpity bump

annadjinn · 23/07/2021 07:25

In December last year, the University of Leicester released a toolkit that claims to be aimed at supporting “students who are already sex workers” but reads more like a guide to getting into the sex industry. Worryingly they have secured funding to roll this out to universities and colleges around the UK.

Nordic Model Now! has set up a petition calling on them to revoke it and return to the drawing board.

PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE THIS PETITION. We believe that only the pressure of public opinion is likely to get them to change their minds, so please encourage everyone you know to sign and share it too. Thank you!

www.change.org/p/university-of-leicester-revoke-the-university-of-leicester-student-sex-work-policy-and-toolkits

Coughpatrol · 01/10/2020 18:05

It is also very difficult to change the trajectory of your life once you work in sex work. You get used to the money.

I do agree with this and think this is the biggest issue. Women turn to this sort of work as a short term solution but the money is great and you get used to it coming easily. I know someone in her 40s still doing it, she started stripping at 18.

hoodathunkit · 01/10/2020 17:25

It’s very unlikely that cam work will follow you around as you don’t use your real name or put face pictures anywhere. So don’t get worked up about that.

This is just not true. It may be, if a woman has an uneventful life, she can do cam work and change her life trajectory and people close to her will not find out.

Data collection, especially the harvesting of compromising material that can be used for blackmail, is a massive international business.

This is not just about cam work. If you are an activist and pose a threat to the serious organised criminals and powerful actors whose business interests include blackmail then you had better not have any nude photos or other photos or films you don't want to see on line.

You even need to be aware about things like picking your nose whilst gazing into your android phone or computer.

The blackmailers are like a beefed up, corporate version of the school bully who steals your diary full of secret crushes and private fantasies and then runs around the playground showing it to everyone, screaming your adolescent love poems out loud and pointing and laughing at you and encouraging others to do the same.

Anyone who does cam work and who later goes on to make anything of their life is likely to be blackmailed at some later point if they make something of their life or enter a serious relationship with a person of influence.

This is something that I would advise the OP to discuss with her daughter.

Anyone who is making enemies of criminals needs to think about how they would handle the situation should they be blackmailed at some point. Ovaries of steel and honesty with serious life partners are a prerequisite of managing such a situation without being compromised and dragged into terrible criminal situations.

Ultimately there’s bugger all you can do, you can earn far more for less effort doing that than you can in min wage/zero hour jobs.

It is true that young women can make more money doing sex work than working in retail or in a minimum wage situation. This is unforunately one of the things that makes it hard to leave.

It is also very difficult to change the trajectory of your life once you work in sex work. You get used to the money. Your social circle is limited to people who think it is "cool", very often thay work in the sex industry themselves.

It can be done of course, I have done it, but for many women the direction of their life changes completely and the whole idea of working hard for very little to secure a challenging and rewarding professional / academic life is undermined. Which is a shame IMO

WhatWouldJKRDo · 01/10/2020 15:35

OP, you’ve had some excellent and compassionate advice here. I can only imagine how upsetting it must be. Flowers

crunchermuncher · 01/10/2020 15:32

Someone said (can't find it, think it was another thread) that if sex work is work like any other, it should be subject to the same health and safety risk assessments. And then banned because the risks are high.

I feel so sad for girls growing up in this porn-soaked culture, absorbing the message that this is all normal.

Best of luck to you and your daughter, OP.

SodaPerson · 01/10/2020 15:29

@coronaway

Should people collecting job seekers allowance be asked to try onlyfans?

I'm amazed at the number of women who are so blase about sex work now, particularly those who call themselves feminists.

Exactly...all the misogynists probably grin ear to ear when they see women taking their kit off under the false pretence that it is empowering.
DaisiesandButtercups · 01/10/2020 15:27

@TheJessicaClarke

Sex work is real work
No, it isn’t.
coronaway · 01/10/2020 15:17

Should people collecting job seekers allowance be asked to try onlyfans?

I'm amazed at the number of women who are so blase about sex work now, particularly those who call themselves feminists.

TerribleCustomerCervix · 01/10/2020 15:16

@TheJessicaClarke

Sex work is real work
Well sweat shop employees, child labourers, child soldiers, palm oil workers, bonded labourers etc also work. Doesn’t mean it’s good enough and that society should accept it as, oh well, it’s “work”.
SodaPerson · 01/10/2020 15:09

@TheJessicaClarke

Sex work is real work
Isn't sex work illegal, immoral, and defraud honest tax payers? (As the majority of sex workers do not pay the appropriate amount of income tax)
TerribleCustomerCervix · 01/10/2020 15:01

Sites like OnlyFans have MLM pyramid scheme style recruitment strategies where the girls who create porn are paid a percentage of each friend's income that they recruit

Fuck. That is predatory.

I have a friend who did some cam stuff when we were about 25 through reddit.

It was all grand until a friend of a friend stumbled upon her pictures and put two and two together and it went through our social circle like wildfire. I remember being on a work night out and one of the lads trying to “break it to me” just to get my reaction. I already knew, and didn’t care, but I’ll never forget how that little arsehole tried to make her out to be a cheap whore when he’d been happy to drool over her photos. It wasn’t her I judged, it was the fuckers looking at her pictures.

A friend of her brother, who lived in the US, recognised her from his wedding photos and told him. She had to tell her mum as her brother was shaming her so badly.

She never guessed that the ripple effect of one person recognising her would result in so many people finding out, and in a lot of cases, seeing the photos themselves. She quit after a few months but those photos are out there forever.

SodaPerson · 01/10/2020 14:56

There's a difference between earning money a decent way and earning it the easy way.

I do understand if people need to do it to literally put food on the table (and theres no food bank nearby...?) or pay for the roof over their head (and they haven't been able to secure benefit/council housing or similar) ...but I suspect the vast majority of people do it for easy money, rather than out of necessity.

mrsuncomforfable · 01/10/2020 14:44

Also I have never ever been recognised but I did go under a few names.

BitMuch · 01/10/2020 14:44

If you are in the UK and she isn't getting enough student loan to live on, it is because of your income as parents. You are supposed to at least top it up to the full loan amount students with low parental income get blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/09/martin-lewis--how-much-the-govt-expects-parents-to-give-their-ch/. Make sure she has enough money to live on, as well as expressing concern about her safety and future comfort.

Sites like OnlyFans have MLM pyramid scheme style recruitment strategies where the girls who create porn are paid a percentage of each friend's income that they recruit. It incentives them to promote it as easy and well-paid in order to do less humiliating sexual acts for the same income. I know girls recruiting their sisters as soon as they turn 18, it is highly exploitative with a lot of peer pressure and low profits for most. Physical prostitution is arranged through OnlyFans too, just like regular pornography.

mrsuncomforfable · 01/10/2020 14:43

I did a lot of cam work I only recently stopped a year ago and I have two DC's

It's really not as bad as you think, it's probably the best job I've ever had it gave me freedom and allowed me and my family to live a decent life.

FourPlasticRings · 01/10/2020 14:31

@Coughpatrol

It’s very unlikely that cam work will follow you around as you don’t use your real name or put face pictures anywhere. So don’t get worked up about that. Ultimately there’s bugger all you can do, you can earn far more for less effort doing that than you can in min wage/zero hour jobs.
But if your face is onscreen at the same time as your naked body then there are face pictures. I imagine you could use GameBar on Windows or equivalent software to record what's onscreen. Then all it takes is for the client to upload it to a video sharing site and if OP's DD ever ends up in the public eye (or even becomes a teacher or similar and a parent finds her on the site and recognises her) then she's in a fair bit of trouble.
Coughpatrol · 01/10/2020 14:27

It’s very unlikely that cam work will follow you around as you don’t use your real name or put face pictures anywhere. So don’t get worked up about that. Ultimately there’s bugger all you can do, you can earn far more for less effort doing that than you can in min wage/zero hour jobs.

coronaway · 01/10/2020 14:10

How would your daughter feel if she saw someone she knew when camming? What if it was a family member Shock Unlikely of course but that may make her think again about doing it.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2020 11:52

It's work, fine. Doesn't mean it's not dangerous, exploitative and potentially harmful. I mean, being a mercenary in Syria could be called work; it's not necessarily something the careers adviser would encourage young people to aim for.

TheJessicaClarke · 01/10/2020 11:34

Sex work is real work