ffs, amanda craig novellist dropped from mslexia

The Bookseller: www.thebookseller.com/news/mslexia-asks-amanda-craig-step-down-judge-over-concern-rowling-letter-threatens-climate

I've just ordered The Lie of the Land. I hope Amanda Craig picks up lots of new readers as a result of the publicity about this sorry affair.

Any recommendations on which of her books I can buy?

I think it takes a special kind of idiocy to read the Times letter and find it anti-trans, when it fact all it says is that women shouldn't have to face abuse online for expressing an opinion.

The fact that they've set up a letter of support for trans people in response is a rhetorical move designed to put the debate onto a pro-trans/anti-trans footing when that is emphatically NOT what it's about. It's dishonest and it's ideological, and it's very disappointing to see any writers signing up to this crap because it suggests that, apart from anything else, they are very, very stupid indeed.

Apparently, Mslexia are strong on cancelling women who support Women's Aid's position on misogynistic abuse towards women.

Their statement is dishonest as well as unkind. (Illegible too with that light coloured background, which is a bit worrying coming from a magazine.)

In Wokeland you can accuse people of anything, no need to provide any evidence. I hope Amanda Craig sues.

They should have just written "Mslexia exists to support all writers who identify as women, regardless of their sex."

Or "Mslexia exists to support all writers who identify as women, except those who have minds of their own, in which case we don't want anything to do with them."

These days I am in an almost permanent stage of rage. There is something about this story, however, that has made me even angrier than I already am. I think it's because of the sheer overwhelming stupidity of a magazine that claims to represent women writers doing the exact opposite. These are women cancelling the very women who are trying to stand up for women. They are writers trying to silence other writers.

And that isn't even the worst of it. The worst of it is the sheer smug self-satisfaction of taking the moral high ground. If they admitted the were vile, hateful, misogynistic bullies (which I admit is unlikely), it wouldn't be quite so bad. The gaslight-y element of pretending that you are standing up for inclusion when you are actually very deliberately and publicly excluding someone is enraging beyond belief.

So disappointing to see Malory Blackman and Jeanette Winterson sign that KMH letter affirming TWAW and TMAM.

It is interesting to compare the two lists. A large proportion of the people who signed the JKR one initially were people who had already been cancelled with a few big names lending support. Now there are a lot more but the list is mixed up with ordinary people.

The trans support one has a few big names (Mallory Blackman, Jonne Harris, Elizabeth Day) but many of the people in the list are people who work in the marketing department or publishers PAs. Many of the names on the list are people who have been very vocal in their support for trans rights. A lot of people who fall over to agree with everything Elizabeth Day does have not signed the petition. Most people are staying well out of it. I presume people will have shared the petitions with their contacts and many people have decided it is too toxic.

[quote Kit19]From hive

www.hive.co.uk/Product/Amanda-Craig/The-Golden-Rule/24817296[/quote]
Thanks Kit! Trying to avoid Amazon!

Kitty try your local independent book shop. If they don’t have it in stock they’ll order it in for you.

From hive

www.hive.co.uk/Product/Amanda-Craig/The-Golden-Rule/24817296

Where are people ordering Amanda Craig’s books from?

That Mslexia statement - Mslexia exists to support all writers who identify as women, regardless of their background or current circumstancestances, blah, blah blah

They should have just written "Mslexia exists to support all writers who identify as women, regardless of their sex."

Another one who will be buying at least one Amanda Craig novel and is currently 3/4 of the way through Troubled Blood.

I've never heard of this magazine either. But it's not something i'll read now. I really can't understand how women think it's ever ok for another woman to receive rape and death threats. Don't they see that the hate online doesn't exist in a vacuum. It effects people in real life. What about the 2 women every week who are killed by male violence. I'm just so sick of it all! But so grateful for women like JK Rowling standing up for us. First ever post here but have been reading threads since JK spoke out.

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ve just ordered Lie of the Land.

Never heard of this mag but so disappointed with Jeanette Winterson who should know what a woman is.

Winterson is ghastly. I gave up on her a long time ago. I'm more disappointed to see Max Porter's name on the list, as he's a good writer.

Not surprised to see Elizabeth "world's most boring columnist" Day on there. Most of the rest I haven't heard of, but I intend to stay as far away from them as possible.

Ah, well. Good luck to you, MsLexia, you've made your position very clear. You're not on the side of women anymore.

It's never good enough. There will always be more demands. Where has this no longer using "identify as" crap come from?!

Because that means they can no longer say a woman is anyone who "identifies as" one. Hmmm

Yes serenity she’s another of the successful in a secure relationship late middle aged lesbians who will never have to accommodate TW beyond sitting alongside them at some literary do & seems unable to see beyond her own circumstances

It's only 2years ago that she gave the Dimbleby lecture talking about the importance of sex and how sex influences your experience. She didn't think it was your femininity that mattered then.