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Do “trans kids” exist?

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Siameasy · 29/09/2020 09:27

Following on from yesterday discussion:

With it becoming increasingly clear that we cannot define “trans”, genuine sufferers of Gender Dysphoria aside, how can there be such a thing as a trans kid?

Reading the “new rules” from Mermaids how would I know if my kid is trans?

Can babies be trans?

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happydappy2 · 29/09/2020 09:49

Of course there is no such thing as a trans kid. Children often struggle to feel they 'fit in' and may be confused by their emerging sexuality but no reason to label them as a transexual. (I know that word is deemed old fashioned but it's accurate.)

Siameasy · 29/09/2020 09:46

Agree rorosemary, kids are just exploring and trying to make sense of gender roles imposed on us by society.

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BreatheAndFocus · 29/09/2020 09:46

My niece insisted she was a boy for months and months at around 5 years old. No idea why (possibly to do with her worshipping her older brother). Nobody made anything of it and she no longer says this.

Personally, I don’t think young children have the capacity to understand their sex or gender. So no, I don’t think young children can be ‘trans’.

However, I do think they can be influenced or brainwashed by those around them, which I find really sad. Not the ‘being trans’, the brainwashing of a child.

ThousandsAreSailing · 29/09/2020 09:45

I don't think people realise how many disorders /conditions are created by our society. Like anorexia it is a symptom of an underlying disorder. Usually trauma or anxiety- both caused by family or society
If it's trans but not dysphoria then it's society telling the child their personality is wrong for their sex
Looking at how disorders present in different societies is interesting. I was looking at anorexia, it wasn't present in some societies until they got western TV. In other countries its presentation was very different

Siameasy · 29/09/2020 09:45

I'm still waiting for someone to answer how, when eveeyone elses toddlers are being yanked out thr cat food bowl, sleeping in dog baskets , and eating sudecrem how these toddlers are so articulate as to ask when God will bring them.a vagina and express their inner feelings so well.

Well, indeed. At one point my then-toddler was trying to eat the cat. So what’s the magic age when they can say I’m trans (cos, according to Mermaids “they’ll tell you”) and it’s to be taken seriously?!

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Siameasy · 29/09/2020 09:41

Until recently we were told trans gender people were born in the wrong body and that a way of telling a child is trans is that they’re gender non-conforming.

Now they’ve tweeted quite the opposite - and reading their new output, well I’m not quite sure how you can tell really.

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/the-toys-and-clothing-question/

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/do-you-still-use-the-phrase-born-in-the-wrong-body/

Do “trans kids” exist?
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rorosemary · 29/09/2020 09:39

I don't think that children can truly be trans. You need to go through and finish puberty to discover how you feel about your gender. You don't have all the facts before that time. Plenty of non-trans kids have said they wanted to be the opposite gender once, doesn't mean that they are. It's part of exploring who you are within society. I'm still miffed that my brother could just go pee in a bush but I had to uncomfortably hold it in till we found a toilet. Doesn't mean that years later I still want to be a boy. I just didn't agree with the expectation of me based on my gender/sex. That is something completely different than thinking I am the opposite gender.

JamieLeeCurtains · 29/09/2020 09:38

Well this is how professional hypochondriac Charlize Theron explains her 'trans' 7 year old, who became 'trans' as a 3 year old:

“They were born who they are and exactly where in the world both of them get to find themselves as they grow up, and who they want to be, is not for me to decide.”

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/charlize-theron-has-revealed-her-child-7-is-transgender/news-story/cad4f4922915202e3a0fd090813e89de

I think that contrary to Theron's public assertions, her child IS very much who Theron wants the child to be.

QuimReaper · 29/09/2020 09:36

If it were any other mental or physical condition, especially one affecting wildly escalating numbers of young people, sufferers of gender dysphoria would be campaigning and fundraising for better understanding of how and why it occurs and evaluating the best approach to treatment. Since any such discussion is immediately branded bigoted hate speech, I think we simply don't understand the condition well enough to answer that. But I would say it does seem to be clear that there are some people who suffer gender dysphoria from a very young age, and continue to do so until they transition (and maybe after that in some cases - I don't know), and I would probably deem those people 'trans kids'.

But of course they represent a tiny minority of the trans community in 2020.

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2020 09:31

According to that Dr who reckons you can just get breasts later and that unpopperimg a baby grow is making a dress and a pre verbal gender message it would appear so.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer how, when eveeyone elses toddlers are being yanked out thr cat food bowl, sleeping in dog baskets , and eating sudecrem how these toddlers are so articulate as to ask when God will bring them.a vagina and express their inner feelings so well.

Especially when, when you watch and listen to teens who have been down the medication route they are very immature fir their age

CopsCantCatchCriminals · 29/09/2020 09:30

Please could we have a look at these new rules? Link, maybe?

Thank you.

CaptainInsensible · 29/09/2020 09:30

Who was that guy who said that you can tell babies who are trans because the girls will want to take their hair clips out? Can’t remember the name but it was definitely the only possible reason for a baby wanting a hair clip out of her hair Confused