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Look who is coming out to bat (again)

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StandWithYou · 28/09/2020 09:57

Just seen Jo M twitter feed. I assume this is his response to the DfE guidance although it isn’t explicit. I agree with him that children should have quicker access to quality mental health resources but I then part company with him on the results of that. He ignores the whistle blowers from within GIDS on parental pressure and the NHS on the impact of puberty blockers. He then rounds off with a sideswipe at JKR and the promise of the Good Law Project looking at this area. He seems to be doubling down when Mermaids is furiously back pedalling.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1310474119658582017

Look who is coming out to bat (again)
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IDanielRadcliffe · 30/09/2020 12:35

I can’t believe I missed this at the time! From Meggie Foster who does the brilliant lip syncs.

mobile.twitter.com/meggiefoster/status/1285201070533283842

PearPickingPorky · 29/09/2020 14:51

That is bang on. Mass hysteria can be relatively harmless or it can be dangerous and ROGD is an example of the latter.

And weirdly, if the same rules applied to teenage girls as apply to middle-aged males - namely that their hairy bodies and penises don't make them any less of a woman - then this mass hysteria wouldn't even matter that much. If thousands of teenage girls want to identify as boys or non-binary, so? The issue is that for children they have to be immediately carted off to the gender clinic for irreversible medical treatment.

RoyalCorgi · 29/09/2020 13:26

ROGD is so clearly a type of mass hysteria.

That is bang on. Mass hysteria can be relatively harmless or it can be dangerous and ROGD is an example of the latter. It absolutely beggars belief that adults are going along with it and even encouraging it rather than putting their foot down and saying, "Don't be silly, you'll grow out of it."

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 29/09/2020 12:59

Methinks Jolyon needs to read some Elaine Showalter. ROGD is so clearly a type of mass hysteria and we know really quite a lot about how that develops. There is no way parents and other adults involved in all things trans aren't helping to feed the situation. No way. You only have to dip your toe into Twitter to see there are parents out there who are getting something out of their children identifying as trans. It is so clear to see.

NewlyGranny · 29/09/2020 09:42

I guess the whole patriarchy and the class system and the traditional hierarchies get a little shake whenever an 'ordinary' individual - especially a woman - rises by their own efforts and refuses to conform to the expected stereotypes for that scenario. I think the only acceptable alternatives society has for these situations are:

  1. Go off the rails with drink, drugs, fast cars and scandals ( favoured option for male sporting stars and popstars of both sexes).
  1. Become part of the establishment, adopt its values and blend in with conspicuous displays of wealth (favoured for self-made industrialists and business people)

Option 3: Continue to be yourself, go on caring about people and turn your acquired wealth to good uses while refusing to either self-destruct or shut up is just too disconcerting for establishment figures.

MindTheMinotaur · 29/09/2020 08:07

Really? Who has made children's lives more difficult? JK Rowling who expressed carefully worded reservations or the adults that chose to message that to children as hatred and denial of their existence? I don't tell my child that the RSPB hates her and wants to replace her with birds.

FloraFox · 29/09/2020 00:13

"amateur hobbyist" - what is he then? He's a tax lawyer fishing around for a case to take pro bono, he's just described himself.

as for "no parent or teacher spontaneously pushes children to change gender" well no lawyer would ever make a statement so incapable of being substantiated ... oh hang on....

miri1985 · 28/09/2020 23:31

That 'insulated by her wealth' comment is such a giveaway to misogyny, I think. Because women shouldn't enjoy that kind of immunity when they express an opinion. It's as if her wealth were inherited or some sort of windfall, isn't it; not the result of her own hard work and genius

I've been watching the new series Ted Lasso on AppleTV and there was a line in it that really got me, it was a young Nigerian football player talking to the head of the club and he said :"did you know that JK Rowling has more money than the Queen? I like the idea of someone becoming rich because of what they gave to the world not just because of who their family is".

NewlyGranny · 28/09/2020 22:53

That 'insulated by her wealth' comment is such a giveaway to misogyny, I think. Because women shouldn't enjoy that kind of immunity when they express an opinion. It's as if her wealth were inherited or some sort of windfall, isn't it; not the result of her own hard work and genius.

littlbrowndog · 28/09/2020 22:43

@PigeonToe

Doesn't he realise that we all have to maintain our "amateur" feminist status to stay eligible for the feminist Olympics. Professionalism is ruining the sport!
Sniggered like fuck at this
PearPickingPorky · 28/09/2020 22:18

I do wonder sometimes if the tie up between Mumsnet and the Batting QC ( on the Gingerbread project) is somehow influencing the moderation of this board.

Certainly seems so, this thread has more holes than my hosta.

PearPickingPorky · 28/09/2020 22:17

Imagine being a QC with obvious aspirations to be Mayor Of Munchkin Land and when the chips are down on the puberty blockers treatment protocol, you decide that the side which is sterilising gay and autistic children is the side to be on.

HecatesHat · 28/09/2020 21:49

@PigeonToe

Doesn't he realise that we all have to maintain our "amateur" feminist status to stay eligible for the feminist Olympics. Professionalism is ruining the sport!
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PigeonToe · 28/09/2020 21:17

Doesn't he realise that we all have to maintain our "amateur" feminist status to stay eligible for the feminist Olympics. Professionalism is ruining the sport!

PurpleHoodie · 28/09/2020 21:09

ThinEnd Yes.

I'm thinking Strike may have bumped her back up Grin

EwwSprouts · 28/09/2020 19:58

Sam Smethers (Fawcett Society) is on the board of the Good Law Project. Interesting.

RozWatching · 28/09/2020 19:54

He is so personally invested in this he cant be objective (I also think he is a raging misogynist, so will only listen to women who agree with him)

I think he realised a long time ago that he's not on the side of the angels on this particular issue but he can't backtrack, hence the rage. The misogyny is coming out as a byproduct.

ThinEndOfTheWedge · 28/09/2020 19:38

Love to see a billionaire woman doing good for others.

Agreed - but to be pedantic I think JK has paid her way out of being a billionaire through philanthropy and paying her full stamp of tax.

RoyalCorgi · 28/09/2020 19:36

"insulated by her wealth from any real consequence"

Yes, it's OK to threaten women with rape, torture and murder if they're billionaires. I wonder when it stops being OK? If they have just a few hundred million? A million? Half a million?

This is the man who squealed like a battered fox when Julia Hartley Brewer tweeted a link to a newspaper article that gave his address.

How utterly loathsome he is.

RoyalCorgi · 28/09/2020 19:33

Imagine being a man so arrogant that you think a woman having an opinion on women's rights is an "amateur hobbyist". The ego of it! What's that saying - give me the confidence of a mediocre white male?

The one thing you can say about the trans activist movement is that it really has brought out the misogynists in force. There are so many men who truly hate women.

HPFA · 28/09/2020 19:32

I'm puzzled by what sort of lawsuit he could be bringing. The Keira Bell case is coming up, then there's the independent review, if both of those find against puberty blockers what case could he possibly have?

PurpleHoodie · 28/09/2020 19:09

Did I spell billionaire correctly?

PurpleHoodie · 28/09/2020 19:09

Love to see a billionaire woman doing good for others.

GreenTrem · 28/09/2020 18:29

"insulated by her wealth from any real consequence" - God, he's really seething that they weren't able to cancel, bully or intimidate JKR into silence. Maugham's claim that she is making thousand's of children's lives more difficult is really beneath contempt. His tweets will not age well.

GreenTrem · 28/09/2020 18:22

@PronounssheRa

It's interesting, at a time where medical negligence solicitors are starting to circle Maugham decides to use the good law project as a means to attempt to get even more children medicalised, some for life.

He is so personally invested in this he cant be objective (I also think he is a raging misogynist, so will only listen to women who agree with him)

If you haven't already listened to Douglas Murray on talk radio this morning, have listen, the last 30 seconds are a blistering attack on mermaids.

's the Julia Hartley-Brewer interview of Douglas Murray PronounssheRa mentioned, on TalkRadio's YouTube channel.