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Do we now get our spaces back?

35 replies

Angryresister · 26/09/2020 23:25

Thinking about whether swimming is now women only again at Hampstead ladies pond, and whether mixed sex facilities will be changed back esp in schools. Is there no risk now of sharing a hospital ward or prison cell with a male? Or in a refuge? Can we ask to see the GRC ? Asking for a friend

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BlackWaveComing · 27/09/2020 01:25

I hope so - prisons and women's refuges are of particular urgency

KnowingYou · 27/09/2020 00:40

that toilets need to be single sex.

Toilets still are in the main single sex. But that category of sex includes the legal sex that some have changed to. Trans people have never been excluded from the toilets of their acquired sex.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/09/2020 00:04

Good question. I really hope so.

It's crazy how many organisations were persuaded by the trans lobby that self-ID was already legal/ was definitely about to become legal. I think schools and hospitals etc will have to comply with the law. But I suspect that facilities like the Ladies' Pond, which we don't have a statutory right to, may not be covered.

It's a shame. The Ladies' pond has always been used by women only, just as the Men's pond has been used by men, and anyone can use the Mixed pond. Many women can't use a mixed-sex pond and changing room for personal or religious reasons. But that didn't bother the misogynists at the Corporation of London when they withdrew its single-sex status.

RozWatching · 27/09/2020 00:01

@Stealhsquirrelnutkin

I think we should, and the entrance to the Women's pond should have a statue of the Man Friday women, bravely turning up to draw attention to the unfairness of allowing the opposite sex to invade the privacy of the single sexed ponds if they are willing to claim that they "identify" as being the other "gender".
Yes!

That consultation Angry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3592053-City-of-London-Consultation-Results-they-cant-get-away-with-this?pg=1

stumbledin · 26/09/2020 23:49

As I understand it although the EA allows for single sex provision, ie can exclude trans women, it has to be shown to be necessary (cant remember the legalese word, think it is "proportionate"). ie it isn't automatic.

So providing single sex services to women who have suffered male violence would be easier to argue than .... Well actually I dont think women's toilets, wards, and so on should be anything other than single sex, but I suspect there will be loads of pressure if not actually court cases asking schools, trains stations, hotels, etc., to "prove" that toilets need to be single sex.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 26/09/2020 23:43

There'd need to be a brass plaque under the statue explaining what they did, and why, and how their clever PR stunt led to the first positive media coverage. Before that any article was always from the transgenderist perspective, women's voices and protests were ignored or dismissed as hateful.

yourhairiswinterfire · 26/09/2020 23:38

I think women's spaces will take the longest-and a lot of fighting.

I hope schools are easier. Gender reassignment is protected, not gender identity. Children can't have any form of gender reassignment, can they? Or a GRC?I really hope not. If not, there is no justification to allow boys into the girls toilets and vice versa.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 26/09/2020 23:31

I think we should, and the entrance to the Women's pond should have a statue of the Man Friday women, bravely turning up to draw attention to the unfairness of allowing the opposite sex to invade the privacy of the single sexed ponds if they are willing to claim that they "identify" as being the other "gender".

persistentwoman · 26/09/2020 23:31

I suspect it will take some time to restore safe places to women - and sadly it may involve some more legal action and digging from women. In an ideal world all the wealthy special interest groups would start working with organisations on the provision of 3rd spaces. In an ideal world.
I see that the Baroness is turning her attention to prisons next.

Davros · 26/09/2020 23:28

I really hope so