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Comment Removed from Janice Turner Hate Crime Article in The Times

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AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 26/09/2020 15:07

I've name changed for this as it's obviously outing (or at least linking across platforms).

I'm just here for a gripe, really. I commented on this article this morning and it's just been unceremoniously deleted.

It said (almost word for word) that while I didn't think that 'hate crime' as a concept is helpful, if we're going to have it, it's outrageous not to include sex (as a protected characteristic) and that not including it precisely because it's too prevalent is outrageously craven.

Not that this should matter but it was the most recommended comment on that article and I found that quite heartening.

I honestly can't fathom what could possibly have got it deleted and am disproportionately annoyed by it.

If anyone would like to pat me on the head / share their own tales of unjust deletion woe (on platforms other than Mumsnet, perhaps - I'm not looking to start a civil war!) please join me in my aggrieved muttering!

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Betheanne · 22/10/2020 23:00

Every morning I open my phone and note my bannings and deletions. I never say anything hateful or mean. I say the unfiltered truth and the world hates it. Someday people like us are going to be so unique that we might become worth something again.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/10/2020 19:38

@AnnoyedOfTunbridge, have you tried sending a direct message on Twitter to Janice Turner to ask for her support? I would hope she could put a rocket under their moderators in a case like this. Good luck.

64sNewName · 22/10/2020 19:38

Good for you, OP, and thanks for updating this thread. Missed it the first time and just saw it via Active.

PopperUppleton · 22/10/2020 19:35

Good for you! Keep going. This silencing of women needs to be challenged more.

AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 22/10/2020 19:30

Just an update (of sorts) for anyone still interested - they told me they would get back to me within 28 days, hopefully sooner.

They haven't. I've just prompted them.

Whether I've just slipped through the cracks, or they hoped I'd forget about it and go away, or they have absolutely no idea what to say for themselves, I couldn't say.

But I've made it politely clear that I still want to know whether stand by the deletion and, if so, why.

I've been a big admirer of The Times for letting their journalists tackle this subject, respectfully, but head-on and in the spirit of democratic debate. Let's hope they don't start undermining that position via their moderators.

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PearPickingPorky · 06/10/2020 05:35

It will be very interesting to see if the potential loss of subscription means you get some traction with your complaint. I do hope so.

MoleSmokes · 06/10/2020 05:23

AnnoyedofTunbridge I also took out a subscription to The Times for the sole purpose of countering the nonsense and lies posted in comments by the likes of “Disgusted of Manchester”.

(I have a different User Name, to avoid the cross-platform stalkers and witch-doxers!)

I don’t know if she is on here but, if she is, a big shout out to the excellent Jo March, whose comments are sometimes even better than the original article!

If they get all pissy PC and delete perfectly decent comments just because they are Gender Critical then I’ll be complaining too - and cancelling my subscription if they don’t change their ways.

If they want to alienate subscribers with a sharp kick in the teeth then they are going the right way about it.

picklemewalnuts · 03/10/2020 14:37

Well done! I'd like to hear their justification for removing your comment!

StandUpStraight · 03/10/2020 14:30

annoyed good for you. I’m a regular Times commenter and I have also noticed the woke-creep. Last week I reposted a deleted and perfectly reasonable comment with a note to mods that I am starting to take screenshots for my Times complaint letter.

AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 03/10/2020 13:59

For anyone interested, I've had a bit of back and forth on admin matters so far but still waiting for a substantive response to the complaint. I've politely prodded then and will continue to do so until resolved.

Once upon a time I would have given up on this as not being with my time. I teetered on the edge of that this time too but I must be getting more bloody-minded and tenacious with age!

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AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 27/09/2020 09:22

According to new comments under the article, this has also happened to the next most popular comment regarding the 'manosphere' which was up with no issues for well over 24 hours.

Seems The Times need to have a good look at their moderators before they put of half their subscribers. The many intelligent comments under articles are half the draw for me.

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xxyzz · 27/09/2020 07:18

Different topic, but worse outcome.

I was used to having comments deleted by woke moderators at the Guardian.

But I got banned from commentating BTL altogether at the Guardian for posting shortly before the election that Jeremy Corbyn was anti-Semitic - they said this was libellous, but a) there had been numerous articles, including in their own newspaper, saying the same thing, and b) the EHRC were literally investigating the Labour Party under Corbyn for anti-Semitism.

I am Jewish, btw.

I argued to no avail that what I said was hardly controversial, that as a Jew, I had a right to name obvious anti-Semitism where I find it, and that banning a Jew for pointing out anti-Semitism was really not a good look for a supposedly left-wing paper...!

But no, they stayed firm. Horrendous. And probably some woke young mod, who imagines they are 'progressive' and anti-racist. Angry I'm still fuming, though. Angry

So on the positive side, at least the Times just deleted your post rather than removing your posting rights!

Theluggage15 · 27/09/2020 00:38

I’ve had a couple of comments removed recently in the Times. Both were under an article about the GRA when I replied to a well known commenter on trans articles called ‘disgusted of Manchester’. I wasn’t rude but I think as others have said that the comment was removed by the woke moderators, his comments were left alone.

I’ve seen quite a few people complaining recently under the trans articles that their comments are being deleted. It seems to be a new thing so whether it is one new mod responsible, who knows? It’s very annoying.

Goosefoot · 26/09/2020 21:49

I've seen people say a few times that moderation on week ends seems to be done differently, more like anything that gets a complaint is removed. Maybe you fell foul of the weekend mods.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 26/09/2020 21:45

I had something equally bland deleted under the article about Liz Truss’ statement earlier in the week.

I suspect there is a (Or probably several) stonewalled young staffers looking after the comments.

ArabellaScott · 26/09/2020 21:06

Yes, utterly unfair.

Of course, when one starts having polite, reasonable comments relating to freedom of speech deleted, it only underlines the point.

AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 26/09/2020 20:37

Polite complaint sent. I'll keep you posted.

I'm definitely getting more irritable with age about these little injustices. It's inconvenient, really, but I'm not sorry about it.

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wellbehavedwomen · 26/09/2020 20:04

But surely the woke kids are all over feminism, as long as you ignore the obvious? So they shouldn't have objected, either - you made no reference to anything other than how misogynist is it not to, yanno, see misogyny as an issue worth addressing!

Definitely complain.

OhHolyJesus · 26/09/2020 19:38

Another one to say pursue it. I don't comment but I've seen comments reinstated, sometimes it's removed by mods for checking I think and comes back after a delay.

AnnoyedOfTunbridge · 26/09/2020 19:33

I did scour the guidelines and come up empty. I even carefully said 'sex' rather than 'women' or 'misogyny' because a) it seems fair; and b) it seemed pretty hard to me to argue with including the protected characteristic as written in the Equality Act.

I will have a look at the complaints and how to argue for reinstatement. Thanks.

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ProfessorPollington · 26/09/2020 19:13

I liked it too. Times has been odd recently seeing quite a few anti government posts being deleted even if seems well within guidelines and upvoted (Steve in Cambridge for example). You should complain.

everythingcrossed · 26/09/2020 19:09

I think I was one of the people who liked it - it didn't seem remotely to infringe any guidelines. It's unusual, the Times is generally quite live and let live BTL.

persistentwoman · 26/09/2020 18:42

Pursue it OP.
There's a customer services number listed and you could ask them (when it's open) how to challenge a deletion.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2020 16:49

I can't see anything remotely controversial about your comment OP. How bizarre. Confused

WinterIsGone · 26/09/2020 16:35

If you sort the comments on most recommended, it seems that the most popular comments were also the most contentious... Smile Definitely pursue it with the moderators.

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