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Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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XXSex · 25/09/2020 12:05

This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

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SecondRow · 01/10/2020 07:58

Limerick Leaders tweet and article is gone.

I strongly suspect the jigsaw identification of the person concerned is the legal issue here even more than journalists fearing to report on self ID problems.

Boards.ie also banned discussion of "a case currently before the courts" and deleted previous posts about it.

Runnersos · 01/10/2020 07:39

This doesn't reflect well on prison management.
www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40057094.html

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 01/10/2020 07:35

Oh did they delete the tweet? Pity.

SunsetBeetch · 01/10/2020 07:31

The Countess Didn't Fight For This, a new account on twitter (thread, I've just copied the first tweet)

"Ireland is supposed to be a shining beacon of progress these days...

but in fact, we have sleepwalked into a nightmare.

As we send out our first tweet to the world, our thoughts go to the female inmates of Limerick Prison.

If no one else will speak for them, we will."

twitter.com/TCDFFT/status/1311050452948090886?s=20

Runnersos · 01/10/2020 07:29

[quote XXSex]Limerick leader has written an article with statements from RadCailini and that Barbie is a biological male. They’re getting some flack for it from some eejits. If you’re on twitter can you show them some support?
twitter.com/limerick_leader/status/1311358910201176065?s=21[/quote]
That tweet isn't showing. I am not on twitter
Were they being accused of tranzphobiz?

Runnersos · 01/10/2020 07:27

@Vanillanelle

Rape Crisis Centre. Noeline Blackwell is the ceo. She used to be the ceo of the free legal aid centres. She has no excuse not to understand women being vulnerable. I wrote to her (well, the generic email addresses I found on the website) and Orla O'Connor are NWCI earlier.
Thanks. Yes, you would imagine they would be appalled by this.
XXSex · 01/10/2020 07:16

Limerick leader has written an article with statements from RadCailini and that Barbie is a biological male. They’re getting some flack for it from some eejits. If you’re on twitter can you show them some support?
twitter.com/limerick_leader/status/1311358910201176065?s=21

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miri1985 · 01/10/2020 00:36

Was speaking to a friend of mine whos a former Garda, I had no idea that the capacity of Limerick prison was so small. At full capacity it only holds 28 women www.irishprisons.ie/prison/limerick-prison/

So if its currently at full capacity (unlikely due to covid) that would mean that 7% of "female" inmates are transwomen.

Will this prisoner be kept away from the rest of the prisoners - for their protection? The other transwomen is accompanied by 2 officers at all times while in the common areas. www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

From what we know of Barbie Kardashian, I feel so sorry for the female officers that will have to participate in this farce and I hope their union stands up for them

Vanillanelle · 30/09/2020 22:02

Rape Crisis Centre. Noeline Blackwell is the ceo. She used to be the ceo of the free legal aid centres. She has no excuse not to understand women being vulnerable. I wrote to her (well, the generic email addresses I found on the website) and Orla O'Connor are NWCI earlier.

Runnersos · 30/09/2020 21:37

@Vanillanelle

Runnersos, yes, need to build a list of women's organisations to write to too. NWCI is probably a lost cause but I'll email anyway. RCC should take a stand on this too.
Who is RCC?
bigbirdSept · 30/09/2020 19:20

Great thread.

Will get to emails this weekend.

One of my main points will be the use of gender instead of sex. Even the COVID-19 app shows stats by gender. How is that accurate if we know covid disproportionately affects males? Surely it's in trans peoples best interests to record both biological sex (that can't be changed) AND the gender they identify with and live as, day to day.

Vanillanelle · 30/09/2020 18:41

Runnersos, yes, need to build a list of women's organisations to write to too. NWCI is probably a lost cause but I'll email anyway. RCC should take a stand on this too.

Runnersos · 30/09/2020 18:29

I'm feeling very left out . I had emailed Ivana Bacik but I didn't get a reply.
Anyway I will use elements of the templates above to email every male TD. I will also email the national women's council asking them how they can speak for the women in Limerick prison. given that they have placed themselves in a position where they have a conflict of interests.
Any other people I should contact?

StrikesMatches · 30/09/2020 17:50

if anyone is on the Carlow area, I just got a great response from Jennifer Murnane O'Connor. She's going to raise it with decision makers and during her time this week. A few more emails might help her make her case.

Vanillanelle · 30/09/2020 17:34

We must be neighbours, Glinnerisgreat.

Got a similar reply from Ivana Bacik. Not a surprise but she says she has had a number of emails and "will continue to engage on these and related issues about how best to balance rights."

Will have to think how to respond.

Glinnerisgreat · 30/09/2020 17:28

Vanillanelle - I hear you re TD's - mine are all very woke too. Right beside yours.

Vanillanelle · 30/09/2020 16:48

I used the emails above as my starting points, loads of great info in them. I included the wider GRA issues and the cervical screening language. Emails have gone to all my constituency TDs (DL, they'll be bloody useless Hmm), all women in the Dail, taoiseach, minister for health and a handful of senators. I'll start on the men later.

Glinnerisgreat · 30/09/2020 16:39

@Runnersos - the earlier letters in this board reference the HSE and the larger aspects of the GRA if you want to look at them instead.

Runnersos · 30/09/2020 16:27

Good not goose

Runnersos · 30/09/2020 16:27

@Vanillanelle

If you're using any template letters, try to tweak them a bit. I'm my (admittedly limited) experience of advocacy work in my job, form letters tend to have less impact than an original one. The templates are really useful for knowing what the key points to bit are.
Goose point Vanillanelle. I was just thinking that the template above is very focused on the prison issue. While that is of course the most immediate issue, I wouldn't want TD's to think that if they revoke the certificate for the 2 prisoners that the problem is sorted.
Vanillanelle · 30/09/2020 16:01

If you're using any template letters, try to tweak them a bit. I'm my (admittedly limited) experience of advocacy work in my job, form letters tend to have less impact than an original one. The templates are really useful for knowing what the key points to bit are.

Aine82 · 30/09/2020 15:56

Thank you for the template GrainneMhaol
Excellent post wellbehavedwomen!

Ivana Bacik is wonderful and I would have thought had a good grasp of things, but how was such a weak law enacted??

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill what a disappointment, would have expected better from another barrister & legal academic.

Glinnerisgreat · 30/09/2020 15:44

Second reply received - from Jennifer Carroll MacNeill - I note the concerns you have raised with me and thank you for raising them - wow, what a no comment reply. I had expected a lot more from her based on other work she has done.

Runnersos · 30/09/2020 14:47
I am going to use that template to email the male TDs. I don't see why they should get off the hook.
BatShite · 30/09/2020 14:45

@SerenityNowwwww

What would happen to a violent woman in jail who had voiced a desire to murder other women, with a history of attacking women? Would she be put in a special wing? Will this prisoner be kept away from the rest of the prisoners - for their protection? I saw a quote that this person should be go to jail because they are vulnerable (the same claim made for the Amish brothers convicted of rape/invest/pedophilia).
I think if a female prisoner is deemed too dangerous, she can be moved to the mens estate for better security and such..as far as I know its not happened (yet) but that would be how a very dangerous female would be treat. Might be wong, but definitely read something atng those lies a while back.

Of course, to treat a male like a woman would be treat, and move them to the mens estate would be transphobic.

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