Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

Also on that Noelene one from the rape crisis centre - she is not a advocate for women. I've heard personal horrendous stories about her treatment of staff.

She is one of these people who pretend she cares about others and she really doesn't - something about people like that you then work for companies where they are meant to care about people but they really don't - there is a name for it can't think of it 🙈

My sister sent this - not sure if it's true but mother of god if it is - what the fuck. And young girls fawning over him

https://mobile.twitter.com/youknoww_nuttin/status/1312411676264804352?s=24

Having a sleepover...jolly japes with pillow fights, lots of girly excitement.

Maybe Barbie is gone to stay with councillor Elise?

Excited sounding girls voices. This person seems to have been spotted on the street and filmed by someone who has then posted it on sm. Given the timeline of what we know about the situation and the comment apparently made in the video about ‘ready to murder’ it would seem to back up the possibility that this person has now been released.
I don’t think this person was very publicly known beforehand and so it is unlikely that this video was made before today and they are out on the street. I will look and see if j can find any more info. I’m not imagining there will be a public announcement from councillor Elise.

What’s girly excitement?

OK thanks. I am not on twitter but I really hope that it's a hoax.

Is this true? I don't see it reported anywhere.

If anyone has any Irish friends here they might want to warn them. This person appeared to be surrounded by ‘fans’ which were fascinated by this is persons fame.
I honestly don’t know what they are thinking - god knows what poor care worker who was seriously injured is thinking!!

Not sure if it is on any other threads re this but apparently this person is out on bail.

Glinner has done an email in this today. Part 1. Part 2 tomorrow. I wonder is there a possibility of a legal action on behalf of the female prisoners in Limerick prison?

@Cailleach1 - yes that is what I was talking about when I meant that the greatest success of the TRAs was the change in definition of trans as being a body dysmorphia like anorexia to a sexual inclination like homosexuality. That way TRAs got the protection of all of the sexuality legislation. And it was a planned campaign. And there are more strings to it - where do you think queer ideology is going.

Written a short outline of the wonderful video presentation on that 'Women's Declaration' site. I'll write a better transcript of some of the presentation later. I'm trying to grasp what it is all about and how this has come about that women are on the back foot.

So,

Men’s online community into cross dressing fetish became more confident and organised. In the US, two men from this sexual fetish community created a wish list called ‘The Bill of Transgender Rights’ promoting gender identity.

Beyond the weighting it should have been given as a wish list by sexual fetishists, it provided the template for what became in 2007, the ‘gender identity’ rights section of the Yogyakarta Principles. (This was added to 10 years later in the YP +10)

The Yogyakarta Principles is a document originally created by international human and legal rights activists to promote lesbian and gay rights. The coup the cross dressers were able to accomplish was the piggybacking of their sexual fetish rights onto the rights of Lesbians and gay men. So cross dressing rights of heterosexual men came to be seen as an integral part of lesbian and gay rights and inseparable from them!

The Yogyakarta Principles, though not a UN document, became very influential. Wherever the Principles are adopted by policy makers in the EU and by governments, the rights of cross dressing heterosexual men to pretend to be women are included. This means (because of the 'gender identity' promotion tagging along) that any increase in the rights of lesbians and gay men are likely to reduce, or eliminate, the rights of women.

• So, sexual fetishists organise and campaign for ‘gender identity’ rights. When the Yogyakarta Principles were being drawn up by international human and legal rights activists to promote lesbian and gay rights, the promotion of 'gender identity' was probably being heavily lobbied for. Probably not being assessed critically or what it would this invented, retrograde idea would mean for women.

• Their coup was to insinuate and piggyback their sexual fetish onto the rights of lesbian and gay men and has come to be seen as integral and equivalent to those rights.

• The Yogyakarta Principles are not a UN document but the ‘gender identity’, although at odds with women’s interests, have been uncritically adopted and is influential at EU policy level and government becoming enshrined in legislation around the globe.

• Now, when the rights of lesbians and gay men are increased (protection of sexual orientation rights, which is good), because of the Trans and ‘gender identity’ tagging along with them, it is not good as this ‘sexual fetishism’ and ‘gender identity’ are harmful and are adversely impact on women’s rights which are reduced or eliminated.

I'll have to write a disclaimer here. Anyone can wear whatever the f*ck they want. Be effete. Be butch. It is only cloth. The problem is not that. It is the invention that it not only gives you a 'gender identity' but makes you the opposite sex. The state is used to compel people to acknowledge a wish list as a real thing and budge up for it. The problem is that it has been enshrined into law with consequences for women and women's rights.

Soz. Working link

womensdeclaration.com/en/

Interesting read from another thread. Women have rights, UN declaration backing.

womensdeclaration.com/en/

Also on other thread, The Yogyakarta Principles are not worth the paper on which they are written. That document has no legal weight. It is nothing more than a wish list. It can be ignored.

It is the specifically the Yogyakarta Principle on 'gender identity' which is the problematic one for women (and children). It is just desires at face value. No analysis or impact on rights of others.

You see this Yogyakarta being promote like a gospel on the review of the GRA in 2918. You bet there is no reference to any impact on women who are imprisoned in settings where their safety is compromised with real and potential male rapists and murderers. It is just like the past with the church. Carte blanche by the state.

assets.gov.ie/36889/825dd1e75f1b43b284a1a245a1710e1c.pdf

I find it totally bizarre that faced with Barbie

They state unequivocally that no transwomen are a threat to women full stop.

I mean clearly Barbie is a threat to women... I just don't get where they're coming from.

At all.

and I would guess a lot who signed or supported that "Terfs out" letter.

The LImerick Feminist Collective sounds like a page right out of trans activists rule book, with no critical thinking behind it and possibly no thinking at all but the desire to look virtuous.

The question, to ask them, obviously would be why a feminist collective would even be needed when 'woman' has become a bundle of character types or a label anyone can stick on.

The discrimination women face is based on sex, after all, so if sex is immaterial, then we are going to let that particular kind of discrimination continue where it is prevalent and freely return where it is now held under the surface by feminist pressure.

I also really enjoy that queer theory language which is parroted without analysis. So trans women must not feel unsafe and must be included, and neither word is what they think they are. Natal women, however, can be made to feel as unsafe as anyone wants to and their views about their own gender can be invalidated and all troublesome ones can be excluded.

I get the feeling that the group consists of very young women and lots of genderists.

Well I think we can see from the Twitter thread - and I’ve only ever read 4 Twitter threads in my life - that the tide in Limerick has turned (that is if it was ever on the woke side and I am not sure it was). Does this mean some broadcast journalist will cover it? Could we get it on Prime Time - I think that is what middle Ireland watches.

Feminists sneering at women who are concerned about women at risk. Nice look. Real nice.

Absolutely. Is the tide turning in Ireland too. I thought it was a lost cause (not that the general public had any idea of what was going on)