Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

[quote SecondRow]Judge imposes ban on media identifying woman accused of threatening to kill two people
www.thejournal.ie/judge-court-order-5262402-Nov2020/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
Alejandro Gentile. Will this be the case that unravels GRA?

"There haven't been any problems in Ireland!"

Nobody is allowed to know about the problems in Ireland. How is that evidence that there are none?

Judge imposes ban on media identifying woman accused of threatening to kill two people
www.thejournal.ie/judge-court-order-5262402-Nov2020/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

I think it was November 10th Barbie Kardashian was due back in court, anyone know?

The article in the Limerick Leader after the last court date is still up but behind paywall.

Just to respond to Zebedee point quickly.

I would imagine that lots of men are at risk in male prisons

Vulnerable men
Men who are weaker or perceived as it are gay
Child molesters
Etc

Problems with violence in male prisons need to be addressed

The answer is not to put one group in with the women. Why not all of them? It makes no sense.

I am really uncomfortable with the stuff about when they were a child being published. And also really uncomfortable with the apparent press blackout on what they have done and who they are once they became an adult.

Given its about self ID, the male guards could clearly 'play them at their own game' as it were, and self ID as women for the search? The 'women' would be unable to object because bigot.

That this is going on at all though is fucking insane. And dangerous nonsense.

The language in the article is interesting. The writer of the article uses the there 'she' but the prison officers seem to be very definite the term 'she' a woman doesn't make. They are quoted as saying 'female staff cannot search prisoners who identify as women but are physically still men.'

There are going to be some interesting discussions ahead.
Wonder who requested the female officers to do a search and who halted it.

But how can there be a problem? We're constantly referred to 'ladydick' or 'female penis" so if the female prison staff are willing to do the search on "women" then so be it!

Oh dear. Who is going to break it to them? This is self ID. From the article, I think even without self ID they're going to have a situation where 90-95% of Transwomen don't do the 'gender' reassignment surgery either. Maybe even less will have had genital surgery in the case of being incarcerated for sexual offences. I presume their issue is the fact the inmate had male genitals.

Interesting how there was no public discussion or impact assessment. So now people in real life are beginning to encounter issues. It was sneaky and careless legislation.

The possibility of an inmate carrying a weapon took a backseat to the inmates 'gender' feels. Wow, isn't it amazing. Searched in the end with a wand, but that is not as good as physical search. Special dispensation, isn't it.

Just when you think it can't get more ridiculous

www.independent.ie/irish-news/prison-officers-demand-guidelines-on-transgender-inmates-39637102.html?__twitter_impression=true

"Prison officers are demanding procedural guidelines on how to deal with transgender inmates as male staff cannot search men who identify as women while female staff cannot search prisoners who identify as women but are physically still men.

The issue came to light less than a fortnight ago when staff were directed to search a transgender inmate because there was a suspicion she was carrying a concealed weapon.

Just as male prison officers from the specialist Operational Support Group (OSG) were due to search the prisoner, this was halted as she identifies as female.

Then, a number of female prison officers were requested to search the inmate.

However, this was duly halted as it is not permitted for women officers to search men, and the inmate in question has not had gender reassignment surgery.

OSG units across the prison service consist of specially trained officers to prevent the direction of crime from prisons and to detect prohibited articles.

A well-placed prison source said: "There was mass confusion when this issue arose. Basically no one was permitted to search this prisoner because we have no clear guidelines or policies on how to deal with transgender inmates.

"No one searched this inmate in the end and a wand metal detector was used to scan the inmate.

"No weapons were found on the prisoner. But this is not an ideal search method by any means. A physical search is far more effective. We are going to need a policy in writing on how to deal with this specific type of prisoner.

"Because in line with society, we will see more transgender inmates coming through the system."

The Irish Prison Service will now be asked to develop guidelines for circulation to all prison staff on policies for transgender inmates, including search guidelines.

One criminal defence lawyer says that the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position.

There are two transgender inmates within the Irish prison system. Both were born male but identify as women. The transgender inmates are both housed in women's jails and are understood to be kept separate from the rest of the prison population at all times. "

sorry, wrong thread!

Well this story gets more interesting by the second. As the Gript story asks, why is Tusla involved in this cover up? Have they not enough cover-ups to be getting on with ?

I really believe this is the story that will turn the tide in Ireland and get us a hearing on the GRA - no one will tolerate the stupid "be kind" guff when they read this story. So we need to keep it at the top of the agenda. There is terror in some political circles that this will explode and middle Ireland will cop on to what has happened without their knowledge or permission - we need to keep at it until it does.

Someone got Tusla involved and I do not think it was a "concerned social worker".

Ah... the RTE news article I linked above is gone. Was still there yesterday, gone today.

However, articles with the same content (current name, current charges and fact that born male) remain up on Irish Independent.

The court order is interested in hiding his placement with Tusla and his placements while a ward and his "gender dysphoria"

Why are they so keen to hide that?

But Barbie's other name (as an adult) and the threats they made as an adult to rape and murder women shouldn't be locked away or censored with the consequence of women more unsafe. All the better to identify them for their targets' safety.

I think that women are the predominant, if not exclusive, target. Did the man get in the way of them attacking a woman?

Well, the appeal court judgment that is in circulation and from which all the harrowing details of his history have been derived was only published by the courts with an initial as identifier (like "child X"), but this was then linked (by people unknown?) to his names when the news of a "homicidal teenage girl" hit the papers.

That's what I think the court order will be about, basically. Like some jurisdictions lock juvenile records or something like that?

It was reported that BK made threats against a woman and a man.

She is accused of four counts of making threats to kill or cause serious harm to a woman and a man, on dates in July, August, and September, this year.

From the RTE article.

But yes of course he knows what's what, with the pleas to be put in women's prison.

Amalfimamma, please do keep us updated on the court order if you can!

Rightie O. So Barbie was known by their birth name as an adult. Not only as a child. Not a case of needing to hide their identity as it does not only id them as a child.

Yes you're right there.

Again another issue but self-ID for even younger kids, ie 16-17, is currently very much on the agenda in Ireland.

Also, I wonder if they will they be going to trial for something. Who balances up if the right to safety of Barbies intended targets makes disclosure of public interest issue.

I understand it is of no consequence to males as females or women (as we once knew them) are the intended targets for Barbie. Also, I don't think that it is Barbie's classification of women, ie Transwomen that are the intended targets. Barbie has seemingly only attacked or target females, so I think despite all the equivocation that Barbie knows their apples from their oranges.