Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

Following. Don't have much to add but I am in ireland and terrified even to like JK Rowling tweets for fear of being reported to my employer so good to have a place to discuss all this anonymously.

Excellent link on other thread about 'Where the madness began', by LGB Alliance.

They discuss the origins of the 'Yogyakarta Principles' in which the gender identity and sexual orientation element is presented as the zenith of trans ideology. It is handled and referenced also in the review of the GRA in Ireland in June 2018. It is one big Wizard of Oz hazing.

The Yogyakarta Principles (in relation to sexual identity and gender identity), far from being something which Ireland (or anywhere else) has to uncritically comply with, have no legal standing. It was simply drawn up after a meeting of academics and no better than a wish list. A subjective wish list. The Trans Ideology being no different or better than any other minority belief, has insinuated it's way into laws without much evaluation, analysis or impact, never mind checks and balances.

So women in Ireland are now governed by laws which were created on a spurious basis. Such bs handled as if they were sacred.

gcn.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-abortion-legislation-inclusive-trans-non-binary-intersex-people/https:
MaryLou doesn't look too promising either.

Yolio
I wouldn't bet on getting support from female politicians www.teni.ie/gender-recognition-review-report/
Regina Doherty and Catherine Zappone, both women, were involved in the 2017 review in which the expansion of Self ID to under 18s was rolled out.

The Irish Minister for Justice is a woman. I hope she understands the seriousness of this.

Time for those in Ireland to bombard her with their worries, concerns and objections. Helen McEntee. From what I remember she played a blinder during the Brexit debacle re the Border in NI/ROI. Clever cookie.

I should have also said some more info on this person & how dangerous this person is.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-teen-charged-with-making-death-threats-against-two-individuals/

Suggestion here to write to the prison head

Yes I've often felt that those who most ardently espouse gender woo woo are those who would have been in the Legion of Mary 60 years ago.

Many of the scandals involving the way the state gave carte blanche for people to be treated badly are scandals involving brutality against women and children. This is the continued perpetuation of that.

With the 'gender' woo woo, we are still dealing with the same level of discussion as souls.

The Minister for Justice has the power to revoke a GRA cert if something comes to light that hadn't been highlighted when it was issued. Yet the sex offender in Limerick prison, who had multiple convictions remains a woman. Which makes it appear that it is not as simple as it appears
The teenager had no convictions.

Medical opinion is not relevant when applying for Self ID. It is completely based on trust.
And nobody would ever use that to their advantage
This is in Ireland where we lurch from one scandal to another. Followed by tribunals where the government wonders how this could possibly have happened.

With the wax my balls person in Canada there was a question over why they didn't get prison for threatening someone with an illegal taser. There was some concern that due to JV high profile and actions, and also their laws, they can't really put them in prison no matter what they do as there would be an obvious threat to women and there would be outcry. But they can't put them anywhere else as it's not what the law says.

These sort of issues have been raised over and over. We're told that we're unfairly focusing on a few bad apples, women can be violent too etc etc

The point of single sex in prisons is to protect women. One 'bad apple' can cause harm to many women. That's what safeguarding is about.

The person in the OP has not been convicted of anything but is awaiting trial for sexual assaults and threats to kill, against women. They could have been held on remand and given the situation and massive risk I'd have thought that would be done. But they'd have to be in a women's prison so Ireland have hamstrung themselves in the same way as Canada.

Unpaid ironing, at that.

Thanks for that @OnlyWomenAreWomen - I've just lost half an hour searching and reading Jennifer Bilek.
Cogent arguments about the links between big tech, big pharma, the requirement for women's unpaid labour and the commercialisation of the body.
Now I need to do the ironing.

Do you read Jennifer Bilek or follow her on Twitter? See what she has to say about TENI.

But we are not asleep at the wheel and we will fight this. All of it. And events in the UK this week can only help.

As well as Stella O'Malley's thread (linked earlier) there's a good summation and plea for help from Rhonda Praisely on Twitter (for anyone looking for an overview). Like she says there's been this BS narrative that "self-ID works fine, no problems here". She also talks (accurately) about how there are many Irish women concerned about this, but deeply fearful and also without a place to pull together. O'Malley is about the only high profile person (and she's not that high profile) to put her head above the parapet. Donal O'Shea also but only in the specific context of his work.

Thanks for the link @SecondRow- I had read that before but good to get it out again.

I wonder if the staff of a female prison are all biologically female Prison Officers?
Last line in the report that you linked to....

It has been reported that the transgender inmate had been given protection status by the prison service, and is accompanied by two officers at all times while in the common areas of the detention facility.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30950494.html

Found it. So, current judge passing the buck?

I think they are getting wise to the fact that the public are finally waking up and if this gets traction with ‘the plain people of Ireland’ then the whole trans house of cards will fall down. Add to that the potential cost to the State (ie us) of legal costs when canny lawyers realise the conflation of rights and the clusterfuck that was made of this ‘silently passed’ legislation is beginning to dawn on senior civil servants and probably Gardai. I think, like the massive rollback that is happening in the UK, that a hornet’s nest of proportions to drown the Magdalen laundries, is going to explode in the next 12 months. And I think we all need to organise and be ready to tear it down, layer by layer, like the UK groups have.

I'm confused about prisons. The judge in the current BK case is quoted as saying she cannot make the recommendation to hold BK in the women's prison as it's a matter for the prison authorities to decide.

But isn't there a quote going round from the time of the previous male trans prisoner being sent to Limerick stating that the judge remands the prisoner to a particular prison and that's that, the authorities have to carry out the order?

Anyone know the quote I'm thinking of oram I remembering it wrongly?

This is a part I find truly shocking. A senior medical consultant with significant experience in the area or a transman. Guess who the government chose? Despite trans groups already being heavily represented.

"Prof O’Shea later declined to sit on the new HSE Steering Committee, which was charged with developing a Transgender Identity Service (currently children from Ireland are seen by flying in two clinicians from the Tavistock and Portman NHS trust in London to run clinics at Crumlin Children’s Hospital).

Describing the situation “as close to farce as you could get”, Professor O’Shea stated “I didn’t feel it was appropriate to sit on a committee where there would be friction between advocacy groups and clinicians“, offering a choice between himself, with 25 years experience, and activist and transman Noah Halpin who the Minister for Health, Simon Harris it was announced was appointing to the committee. Also on the committee are two members of the transgender advocacy group TENI."

"There is no mention of a submission or hearing being held with the National Women’s Council of Ireland (NWCI) although a submission was made by Irish Girl Guides (which explained in its submission that for overnight activities: “For trans members, this includes sleeping in the same area as the other members if the trans/girl woman herself is comfortable”. And that “An adult who applies to be a Leader does not need to declare if they are transgender”)."

No input from women's groups.
Girl Guides did appear to have had concerns, but the review itself did not appear to acknowledge them.

This I find hard to under stand. Generally,anything around safeguarding is given the highest priority, but the review doesn't appear to have done that.

This is the paragraph that refer to prisons. Yet despite concerns raised by the law society, no action was taken.

"Impact on prisons

As a consequence of the legislation, a man convicted of ten counts of sexual assault and one count of cruelty against a child but in possession of a GRC was sent to a woman’s prison last year. The Irish Prison Service have confirmed this prisoner will be “included in our female prisoner statistics.”

Robert Purcell, chair of the Law Society Criminal Committee told the Law Society Gazette that the Gender Recognition Act 2015 had placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners, pointing out that the law is challenging for the courts and the Irish Prison Service since there is, potentially, a safety issue for women inmates housed alongside a male-bodied prisoner:

“The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation, and it puts the Prison Service and the courts in a difficult position because, obviously, if somebody is self-declaring that they have to be recognised, then they have to be dealt with on that basis, even though physically, they have not have made the [physical] transformation.”

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison.” "

Which is probably where trans activists got the "no debate" slogan from. It works to their benefit.

This is how it was brought in, from a link above.

A report on legal gender recognition in Europe published by international law firm Dentons in November 2019 praised activists in Ireland for passing legislation “under the radar” by “latching trans rights legislation onto more popular legal reforms (e.g. marriage equality), rather than taking more combative, public-facing approaches.”