Mermaids and the evolving understanding of gender identity.

[quote HPFA]The reverse ferret reaching insane levels:

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When I followed that link I was told:

"This is not available to you."

What is it I'm not allowed to see? Anyone?

I know GC people believe that people are gifted with some kind of magic, unmeasurable, immutable sexed soul at conception, but there's just no evidence for that mate

Have we got a jaw-on-the-floor emoticon yet?

Such binary thinking; can this person not understand that our argument that gendered souls dished out at conception is bollocks isn't an assertion that souls are sexed, not gendered?

A hell of a lot of us don't believe that souls are sexed or gendered because we don't believe in souls.

Everyone's favourite fox hunting lawyer seems to be determined to forge ahead without reading the room (probably because he's blocked everyone).

Considering even orgs like the BBC have backed away slowly this seems like a spectacularly daft move at this juncture.

Can someone explain how this has unfolded? I take it there's going to be some sort of attempt to turn it all on us?

Oh yes, last night I even saw aTRA tweeting that TWAW was never meant to be taken literally. Apparently all that, and the wrong body stuff, was just GC people being too stupid to see it was all poetic metaphors.

Have been off social media for awhile and busy in RL. have I missed something? Have Mermaids done a complete 180 and now saying that kids should be free to play with whatever toys they want, wear whatever they want and that this isn't a sign of being born in te wrong body or being trans - exactly what GC women have been saying since they had kids? From an organisation headed by a woman that had her son undergo sex reassignment surgery at 15/16 with the almost exclusive justification of liking playing with "girls" toys?

Can someone explain how this has unfolded? I take it there's going to be some sort of attempt to turn it all on us?

The reverse ferret reaching insane levels:

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There is some major concern however that the review will be anything but independent though as the Care Quality Commission are involved and they are fully paid up Stonewallies - in the Top 100 list no less.

savageminds.substack.com/p/the-care-quality-commission this article sets out the concerns.

? sorry but a positive outcome to a court case for Keira would give them no choice, or am I misunderstanding.

That is the principle that underlies the watchful waiting approach. That there be no avoidable harm to the children suffering from gender dysphoria by medically transitioning the large numbers who would naturally desist.

I wonder if this will be one of the outcomes of Keira's case against the affirmation approach. And if so, will GIDS and the 3 new clinics follow it

To me the whole issue is that SG affirmed her child’s feelings about being a girl and this was encouraged by Mermaids who she contacted. Once it was affirmed that was it, everyone was on the trans train.
GD is treated by transitioning as it isn’t a MH issue any more right? So SG’s son was just diagnosed and put on the path to change sex. Rather than the son either being left alone (as they now advocate) or receiving help for his GD.
It’s a bit like wedding photos. However crap they are, you’re obliged to think they’re great as there’s no second round!

HPFA - that facebook post from Mermaids is extraordinary, to say the least.

So, what happens to the wrong puberty demands if there's no such thing as born in the wrong body?

We do know this claim is a vital cornerstone holding up transgender ideology. Very many non-homosexual males who transition later in life retcon their childhoods to underline their claims to being born in the wrong body, pointing to children suffering from gender dysphoria to legitimise their claims. (Regardless of the fact that almost all children who suffer it desist in the end.)

It's also why the trans community's stance on medical treatment is so incongruous. Children must be transitioned medically and as soon as possible, because this holds up that vital cornerstone, but adults must not be expected to transition medically because the numbers of those comfortable with their sexed bodies far outnumber the transsexuals who are so unhappy with their bodies they do feel the need to transition medically. Children serve an important purpose in aid of the ideology - they legitimise the narratives of late transitioners, they shore up public support, their exclusion from opposite sex provisions is easier to attack as unkind and they make resistance so much more difficult. Because who wants to be accused of being cruel to children by opposing the ideology and its demands.

And in all of that, the need of these vulnerable children to be protected from iatrogenic harm has been ignored. That is the principle that underlies the watchful waiting approach. That there be no avoidable harm to the children suffering from gender dysphoria by medically transitioning the large numbers who would naturally desist.

Yes Siameasy they trained the teachers not the children directly. Teachers were trained to look for signs children might be trans

Incidentally despite being a children’s charity, mermaids training page makes it clear they go into Companies and train staff on understanding trans issues

Did they train the cps? Cos the cps then did that guidence that teachers had to deliver that told girls that accosting males in the toilet was a hate crime?

I agree, it’s quite hard to find out what exactly their involvement was. They received a grant for schools’ training but are now saying they didn’t train any students. So they were delivering training to teachers then?

There needs to be an official detailed enquiry into Mermaids to find out:

1. What they were telling parents and children
2. What advice/training they were giving schools, the Police, etc.
3. What they are now advising and what the differences are
4. What qualifications any of them doing the training and handing out advice have to do so
5. The provable basis on which they are basing their claims and advice
6. Why they chose to deliberately misrepresent the Equality Act
7. Who in Government or within the Civil Service signed off on allowing them to offer training to schools and other publicly funded organisations such as the Police and NHS

The whole thing is an unholy mess and needs to be forensically looked into.

Mermaids wrote and deleted within the hour apparently. I am staggered that their "change of heart" might not have been sincere.

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The neuroscientist Simon Baron Cohen said that there is such a thing as male and female brains and that people with autism have an extreme male brain’

I have had some professional contact with Simon Baron Cohen. He is very nice as a person, but he is a total loon as regards his theories. He believes that women are cognitively inferior to men - he wouldn't put it like that, but that is the upshot of his theories about the brain and sex. He is very much an outlier amongst neuroscientists in this regard. It's also worth remembering that he was part of the Wakefield MMR scandal - it is not his fault that Wakefield faked the results, but most scientists were very wary of the Wakefield data for a host of reasons. The fact that Baron Cohen was taken in suggests that he is just not a very good scientist.

Benjamin Butterworth was so shocked at Beverley Jackson saying she didn’t believe someone could be born in the wrong body he gasped and cried “bigotry!”

But you know, she’s a woman and therefore probably a witch. And doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

The neuroscientist Simon Baron Cohen said that there is such a thing as male and female brains and that people with autism have an extreme male brain’

And the neuroscientist Professor Sophie Scott says there’s almost no difference bin the physiology of brains from either sex.