Labour continuing to support self-declaration

Calling women totty, saying women are naturally fickle, telling his replacement at the Spectator to pat women on the bottom, bringing nude pin-up calendars into the office and women who objected were 'emotional', etc, etc.

You only have to look at the campaigning Stonewall has done on women’s rugby to realise that there is no reasonable point where Labour will have done enough.

Meanwhile the ‘look at all these countries where self ID works’ argument looks more and more shaky as time goes on.

The GRA only makes sense as a way to accommodate people with gender dysphoria. Anything beyond me that and it all falls apart on contact with daylight.

That's why they've pursued closed doors lobbying on this issue. They know it will never receive the support of the public in the way gay rights legislation did.

This!

If KS seriously wants to be PM he has to come out against self ID or he will lose because in neither case is he fit to lead the country

He needs to do this soon, I wont believe him if he comes out with it weeks before an election. And of course sort out the cabinet, get rid of the woke/sjw women haters.
I emailed him before the elections, told him to self id as a woman and see if that upset wrong daily or the other one.

I literally feel as if I live in a political no man’s land. I hate what conservatives have done to education and I feel the handling of Covid has been inconsistent and incoherent, yet I can’t get on board with self identification. I will 100% support trans women who go through top and bottom surgery though.

If the print media (esp the high circulation DM) keep running stories of the worst abuses that pseudo-Self ID permitted, declaring that Labour would introduce Self-ID legislation for real, then bye-bye Red Wall. Again.

"Their eyes are fixed firmly on the Millennials. Many of them who don’t even vote now but will in a few years."

The problem with this tactic is that the older millennials get, the more likely they are to realise the inherent problems with gender ideology.

When you are young and protected in the bubbles of school, college and youth subculture, radical social ideas appear safer because you only assess their impact according to those environments - - after all, it's all you know.

But once you go out into the real world, where you are one adult amongst millions of all ages, cultures, generations and types, the picture changes. It's no longer a question of a fellow student using female facilities, but pretty much anyone.

I've seen the left pursue the youth market for years, thinking it will propel them into the stratosphere. I even thought that myself in my twenties. The problem is that life happens to those young people, and their experiences cause them to move to more conservative (small C) positions.

For any organic social change, you need a supportive majority of adults aged between 30 and 65. That's where the numbers are. But you've got to allow for the life experience factor that starts to change perspectives once people are over 30: people start having families, wanting secure housing etc. Priorities change drastically.

That's why they've pursued closed doors lobbying on this issue. They know it will never receive the support of the public in the way gay rights legislation did.

They’ve just got to change their slogan to ‘For the few not the many.

Then many women just won't vote labour. I won't. It'll also dominate their interviews come election time again as the tories will ensure it does.

London mayoral elections next year. Sadiq Khan is a fully paid up member of the TWAW club. Presume Lib Dem candidate is as well. Not sure about Shaun Bailey.

Then many women just won't vote labour. I won't.
It'll also dominate their interviews come election time again as the tories will ensure it does.
Bet tories strategists are delighted

It’s very obvious that Keir Starmer is trying to avoid culture wars and is very much NOT chasing woke sounding issues.

By staying silent on this, he is saying - quite resoundly - to the woman on the street, with a vote (no matter her class) that he doesn't give a toss about her.

He's not an unintelligent man, but he'll prove to be a stupid man if he ignores women.

sigh I voted Liberal Democrat’s until the last election when their stance on this lost them my vote and I went over to Labour. And now this.

Please can someone explain how requiring medical diagnosis is anti-trans? I just don’t get it.

While we’re at it - and apologies if I’m showing my ignorance here - I’m still struggling to understand why we aren’t trying to broaden our understanding of what it is to be male to cover normalisation of a more feminised masculinity and vice versa for women who want to show male attributes? Is there a spectrum of gender dysphoria and how do you know when you’re at the tipping point?

Or is this missing the point? Please enlighten me, I’m keen to understand!

I am in Scotland and have always voted Labour. I will not do so until they drop this stance. It really saddens me as I agree with them on everything else. As a woman this is too important to ignore.

Another lifelong Labour voter here... Not any more unless they change this bonkers policy.

Life long Labour voter. spoiled my ballot at the last election because of this issue. DDoes no one in the party do maths. chasing a 1% minority while shitting on the 51% majority is not a good strategy.
They can fuck right off as far as I,m concerned and I,ve already got 5 other members of my family who will no longer vote for them as long as this issue of shitting on women continues

It’s very obvious that Keir Starmer is trying to avoid culture wars and is very much NOT chasing woke sounding issues.

I think Tony Blair told him not to go near the trans debate. That advice was probably okay 2 or 3 years ago, but Keir is going to have to get off the fence soon. Women aren't going to shut up about this and nor are the TRAs.

Either Keir believes that women are adult human females, deserving of certain rights and protections that do not apply to biological males, or he does not. He cannot have it both ways.

I think Starmer is of the, "bide your time, and give people enough rope" belief, problem is we might not have enough rope or enough time.

Labour is having a massive identity crisis. They have forgotten class-based, structural analysis, and are now scuttling aimlessly around chasing woke-sounding causes.

It’s very obvious that Keir Starmer is trying to avoid culture wars and is very much NOT chasing woke sounding issues.

The question is whether he can bring the rest of the party with him, and whether he is right to assume that he can avoid this issue because most people aren’t aware of it.

I'm an old millennial floating voter. Have voted for all of the main parties on a local or national level at various points over the last 20 years.

I was furious over the way the Conservatives handled Brexit and honestly thought I would never vote for them again.

Then I found out about this issue. And I discovered that Labour, Lib Dems and the rest can't even define what a woman is. I saw Lisa Nandy and Rebecca Long Bailey condemn women's groups as 'hate' groups.

Brexit is done. The country will have massive problems no matter who is in charge.

However, the fight is still on for women's rights. I want to make it clear to any MPs reading this: as long as Labour doesn't know what a woman is and as long as it insists on dismantling the rights and protections of women, I will not be voting Labour, either on a national or local level.

My husband feels just as strongly about this issue. So even if Labour is willing to lose the vote of a silly little woman like me, fretting her pretty little head about things she can't possibly understand (like how a woman can have a penis) it may want to note that it is losing the votes of men over this too.

'They don't want to win' 'They're fucked' 'Get woke go broke'

Woah neddy

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