Labour continuing to support self-declaration

Necessary - thank you! Maybe the SDP is the way to go.

I'm desperately sad about this as I have campaigned for, donated to and paid dues to the Labour Party for years. I won't vote for them if they maintain this policy, but I think there's a chance they'll row back from it. Not because they care about women, but because their polling on this issue will force them to. The Tories have a massive majority and every vote will count in the next GE, especially in the seats they will target.

I have never voted for any party but Labour, but they will never have my vote again if they continue down this path. And the Lib Dems can get stuffed. It’s so sad that there’s no one left for us to vote for...

Not one.

No transgender person is excluded from single-sex/sex specific services.

Transgender people mustn't be excluded from separate or single sex services provided to people of their acquired gender, unless there's a good enough reason.

Stuff like this is starting to seriously piss me off too. Acknowledging that these areas are single SEX, yet whining that people of another 'gender' cannot use them

Lifelong labour voter, and will NOT vote for them while they appear to be intent on destroying the rights of women. Even if I agreed with everything else they said (which I don't)..womens rights are too high a cost IMO.

Labour still seem unable to differentiate between their loud ‘activists’ and their voters

What TheRealMcKenna said.

Labour still seem unable to differentiate between their loud ‘activists’ and their voters. Traditional and ‘lifelong’ voters may swing left on economics, but do not necessarily buy into identity politics.

I remember having a bit argument with my BIL just before the Labour Party conference in 2018. He was desperately hoping that the party would adopt a ‘people’s vote’ policy as that was what Labour members overwhelmingly wanted. I tried to point out that Labour voters generally supported Leave but he just didn’t get it. He genuinely thought Leave was purely a tory/UKIP position. I said that I thought adopting a ‘second referendum’ position was political suicide and I was right (I should have got it in writing).

Labour have just abandoned their working class but (in relative terms) socially conservative voter base. They represent a large proportion of the ‘silent majority’ or ‘low information voters’ who just don’t concern themselves with this type of bullshit. Until they accept that there is a UK that is not in Islington/Hackney/Brent/NUS, they will remain out of power.

Most people on the left now are high on their own sense of virtue. They're not going to abandon it very readily. And I speak as someone who voted Labour her whole life. Come the next election, though, if the Tories are the only party sticking up for women, I shall hold my nose and tick that Conservative box.

It’s too late - they are either bloody fools or pathetic idiots who are running after ‘the yoof votes’ - either way, lairs or fools.

This was the reason I resigned my membership again. I won't vote for Labour, let along rejoin the party, until this has been dropped. I've seen loads of people on the Twitter thread stating pretty much the same. After Keir Starmer was talking about drawing people back to Labour, I hope he's actually listening.

They might change their minds when all the court cases have come to fruition. How craven is that from a former director of public prosecutions?

Tootsweets23 on p3 is spot on.

Interesting, I'll read more about them. Thank you.

I am really shocked by this. I don't post here very often - I'm not directly affected by trans issues on a day to day basis, but I've been reading a lot and for Labour to make such a strong statements (there have been others right?) really surprises me. I have always voted labour (or green), but this really makes me think twice.

no one, absolutely fucking no one thinks TWAW.

Absolutely. The child has pointed out the naked emperor and to continue to try to maintain the pretence now is just risible.

The Tories are going to hit Labour with this at the next GE like a cricket bat to the head. If Keir Starmer thinks he can carry on ignoring this issue then he is massively underestimating the strength of feeling amongst the general public.
I live in the red wall area, no one, absolutely fucking no one thinks TWAW.

My son is a millennial ( just) . The other evening he was telling me about a conversation he had had with a friend. They are both interested in politics. They both admitted that as early 20 yr old men they had not realised what the likes of Germaine Greer and many many others had had to go through in earlier waves of feminism. And he talks to me. They are both now huge fans of Germaine Greer by the by and absolutely anti self ID. So , meticulously researched , based on a sample of two - but at least two millennials who do not agree with the wholesale - you are transphobic if you do not agree with Self ID. He also said he had read something from the Tavistock Clinic which he thought sensible - Society is moving faster than the evidence ( sorry if that has been posted before - I am sure it has )

I don't think linking to an article that basically says "If there is a good enough reason a transgender person without a GRC can be excluded from a single sex space" is the killer argument Olivia Blake thinks.

Indeed.