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Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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VortexofBloggery · 24/09/2020 12:03

Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
mobile.twitter.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1308822025797013509

Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

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Handsoffisback · 28/09/2020 17:15

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Lockheart · 28/09/2020 17:10

Did anyone actually read why it's been stopped?

However, my staff have been subjected to unacceptable and unwarranted abuse from those protesting against the event that took place this weekend. This is something that I cannot allow to continue in the future.

Not because of problems with naturists, but because of thugs protesting.

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littlbrowndog · 28/09/2020 16:53

Will be for over 18s only in the future

www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/waterworld-bans-nude-family-swim-19010422.amp?__twitter_impression=true

littlbrowndog · 28/09/2020 16:51

The event has been stopped

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Datun · 28/09/2020 10:49

Yes - it's a safeguarding policy. It shows there's a risk which is acknowledged and guarded against.

I'm still waiting to hear how this risk which appears to be completely acknowledged, is then guarded against.

I've asked about DBS checks, safeguarding, gatekeeping.

I've asked how they stop convicted or in convicted paedophiles from showing up at events.

Unless I've missed it, there don't appear to have been any answers.

VortexofBloggery · 28/09/2020 10:37

Thanks for explaining your experience darkmilkaddict and putting it into perspective here.

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Chocaholic9 · 28/09/2020 10:09

@DarkmilkAddict

I don’t know what other people have found but for me, when I’ve told people about abuse/bad treatment in childhood (other stuff, not the nudism thing), it’s much more common that they: Carry on normally as if you didn’t say it Consider you weird and avoid you Minimise it or even tell you you must be making it up Tell you it wasn’t actually wrong (ie gaslighting) some of this group probably have done the behaviour themselves Tell you not to feel sorry for yourself, other people have it worse

It’s actually very rare to get the omg that’s awful, poor you reaction. The first time someone said that to me I cried.

Basically what I’m saying is this is to be expected and just focus on the people who genuinely get it

Well said.
DarkmilkAddict · 28/09/2020 10:05

I don’t know what other people have found but for me, when I’ve told people about abuse/bad treatment in childhood (other stuff, not the nudism thing), it’s much more common that they:
Carry on normally as if you didn’t say it
Consider you weird and avoid you
Minimise it or even tell you you must be making it up
Tell you it wasn’t actually wrong (ie gaslighting) some of this group probably have done the behaviour themselves
Tell you not to feel sorry for yourself, other people have it worse

It’s actually very rare to get the omg that’s awful, poor you reaction. The first time someone said that to me I cried.

Basically what I’m saying is this is to be expected and just focus on the people who genuinely get it

022828MAN · 28/09/2020 09:55

handsoff - you've said everything I think and more, I applaud you for fighting for the protection of women and children.

Handsoffisback · 28/09/2020 09:33

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Datun · 28/09/2020 08:47

Yeah, running after a laughing child trying to get their socks on, or having your toddlers dispense with shorts at home, isn't the same as taking a nude 14 year old to an event full of naked men.

PearPickingPorky · 28/09/2020 08:18

Amazing to compare the differences in what's allowed to stand in the tweets in favour of safeguarding children and women and the ones against, innit.

VortexofBloggery · 28/09/2020 08:08

I have to say, I never thought I'd see the day where a post using racist language from the colonial era would be allowed to stand?

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SerenityNowwwww · 28/09/2020 07:36

There was a programme on R4 about 4:30 this morning about nudity and naturism (yes I am an insomniac). It didn’t seem to mention any potential negatives, hmmmm, but I heard if a town in Germany (Potsdam?) where you can stroll about naked (and not get arrested).

PearPickingPorky · 28/09/2020 07:08

I find your post completely tone deaf.

Very generous.

Chocaholic9 · 28/09/2020 06:47

@McSilkson

I am not a naturist, for what it's worth. I have read most of the thread.

I am sorry that any woman has been victimised. But I can't see that as grounds to condemn naturism outright, nor events such as those at issue.

I was actually flashed by an (intoxicated) adult man with "naturist" habits when I was 14, while in the home of him and his wife (family friends). He walked into the living room starkers while I watching TV; his furious wife apprehended him at the door. Luckily, I screwed my eyes shut before I could see anything.

I feel that this illustrates that this sort of thing can and does happen anywhere. To say that children shouldn't be publicly naked because it might, and sometimes does, attract paedophiles is not a way of thinking I can get behind. By that logic, we should abolish school uniforms and particularly school skirts, as they certainly attract pervs/paedos, and schoolgirls are routinely targeted - I'm willing to bet far more often than children at family naturist events. Recent statistic is that over a third have been harassed or assaulted in uniform, and I bet the true figure is much higher; most women seem to have these stories. Then there's the age-old argument that women showing "too much" skin (entirely dependent on the society in question) are "asking for"/attracting the wrong sort of attention... Or is it that some people, mainly men, will target certain demographics, mainly women and children, whatever they do or wear...? The existence of perverts and opportunists and a certain level of risk that can never be eradicated is not a reason to curb the freedoms of women and children, in my view.

I have vague memories of seeing my dad and grandpa naked, though it certainly didn't happen as much as with my female relatives. I was so untraumatised that I barely remember it... :/ I remember seeing my male child friends naked, though, and thinking it was a right old giggle!

I still think that the notion of parents "forcing" children to be naked is back-to-front: if anything, we force them to wear clothes. And to adopt our society's attitudes towards the body. By late childhood, and certainly by the teens, this process of "civilisation" is usually complete. Young children are all but savages, and I must say I admire them for it.

Comparing being totally naked as an adolescent in front of strange men, to wearing a school skirt?

Hmm. OK.

Kids reach an age where they don't want to be naked anymore. It's usually some time past the age of 4 or 5.

I find your post completely tone deaf.

022828MAN · 28/09/2020 03:57

I just want to thank those who have opened up about their experiences. I am so so sorry you were put through any and all of that. It just sickens me to my core that people think its appropriate to take children to these kind off events. And astounding that adult women, PARENTS, can be so naive about what they're doing to their children.
I can only imagine that those like Ster were probably brought up in very sheltered conservative homes and feel this is their 'quirky' / interesting / unique family hobby that really shows how truly liberal and open minded they really are. Sad that their need for validation is at the cost of their children's dignity and safety. Very sad indeed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 23:11

There are some, who when others are opening up about trauma, feel the need for whatever reason (I won’t speculate but I’m thinking it loudly) to have what we might describe as a little play with those vulnerable people.

Yes, I agree that happens, and it's best not to engage, IMO Thanks

Wildswim · 27/09/2020 22:18

That anyone could even attempt to justify this Waterworld event is beyond me.

VortexofBloggery · 27/09/2020 22:16

Sage advice handsoffisback

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DarkmilkAddict · 27/09/2020 22:11

Isn’t it traditional to exchange recipes at this point?

Anyone who hasn’t made Nigella’s sticky toffee pudding is SERIOUSLY missing out

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