Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

lords links about paedophilia in this community.

There are many communities which, if you google with the word 'paedophile' will bring up hundreds of news stories.

I've just tried some -

Football - does that mean no one's child should play football?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/paedophiles-in-football-co-operated-as-a-network-j65bcgk7s

'Church of England' - no one should take their child to church?

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/church-of-england-reveals-50-rise-in-abuse-claims-and-concerns

Unfortunately paedophiles will infiltrate any community where they see opportunities to mix with children. It's unfair to single out naturism.

SterFran00

It's not abuse to point out that you are putting your DCs at risk of harm by taking them to events like this.

handsoff absolutely crazy to me! I've already taught DD 3yrs that genitals are private and no one (other than me and her dad) should see hers and she shouldn't see anyone else's. I can't comprehend that parents will then take their children around a load of naked people and not expect that to impact their boundaries and be confusing.

SterFran00

What exactly are you getting from these events? Is it just a cheap thrill for you? Another example of identity politics? What exactly?! And why do your children need to be involved? How do you promote safeguarding to your children when you allow naked men around them some of the time? How confusing for them!

What I’m finding interesting is the level of direct and indirect verbal abuse towards me.

I have never once been disrespected in a naturist environment.

So many presumptuous comments about men who are naturists, yet women on here feel ok with speaking in derogatory ways to fellow a female...
Interesting...

This is shocking! I can't believe so many people are condoning it.
Over 18s - fine, crack on.
Why do children need to be in attendance?!
Why do people think there wouldn't be pedophiles in the nudist community?!
Are people really that naive???

Until someone can actually explain how taking children out in public places naked, without their consent and around strangers who have their genitals out, is ok, then I will continue to remain baffled as to how this is appropriate. The fact is, no one can claim it’s ok, because it’s really not. As others have said, if you want to get your bits out in public with other consenting adults, fine, not bothered, but don’t involve children because you claim it’s a core family value or other such bullshit

It's just utterly incomprehensible that decent people would do this to their children . I'd suggest searching the devices of anyone that thinks it's ok. These people are not normal. Nobody wants to see random people's bits. Certainly children don't. It's sickening.

Anyone that thinks it's ok is clearly a deviant. Why the fuck should children put in this situation?! MAP (pedophiles) members must be rubbing their hands in glee.

I'm so sorry Bonkersblond

**Ster I’d imagine that many naturists have thought carefully about bodies and consent and context and the sexual differences between men and women and how that relates to power relationships and individual autonomy, as these are the fundamentals presumably of it all working as positively as some people feel that it does.

You’re absolutely right - these kinds of concepts are almost unspoken, hugely understood underpinnings of naturism: it’s an environment built on respect of each individual, and therefore there is an expectation that no one is treated in a way that transgresses personal autonomy/boundaries etc. It’s almost like a golden rule.

It’s a refreshing environment to be in as a female. We are often taught that how we dress (or not) affects how men might treat us, we are taught to almost expect it and how to defend against it. In naturism, that kind of context or worry is transcended - I’m a female and even though I’m choosing to be naked in naturist environment, nothing bad is happening - In fact I’m being hugely respected and know that I will be and that I’m safe.

I think maybe that’s why I would challenge the notion that somehow being in a ‘same sex’ naturist environment like you mention would somehow be ‘better’ or safer. I would worry about the message that would send ie not trusting others of the opposite sex, and that as a female all females are therefore of no inherent ‘threat’. Or that I as a mother could take my daughter but not my son. Everyone in a naturist (or let’s go further, non naturist) environment should be respected and feel safe not just within the context of their own gender.

Having said that, if someone would feel comfortable just within their own gender and there is a context that supports that, then of course that is their choice and relationship with themselves to seek out that experience.

You also ask about periods - this is personal choice. Some women choose to use tampons or mooncups, others pads. Many women feel more comfortable wearing bikini bottoms during their periods. It really is what suits the individual and what they feel most comfortable doing.

I’m not sure if I fully understand your question about personal physical privacy - can you elaborate and then I can give an accurate answer?

So sorry Bonkers

Safeguarding, for those who support it, doesn’t come from puritanical or paranoid feelings or silliness of any kind but from absolute necessity and statistical fact/experience/likelihood of risk.

We all need to practice safeguarding with our kids to protect them as best we can but also to help them develop appropriate boundaries to help them understand the importance of safeguarding. The risks are still applicable whether we want to see the world as being like that, or not.

I am very keen for kids and adults to be able to be around a range of different bodies (of their own sex) and this is all still possible to observe at a beach etc without requiring any nudity. I am also fine with a single sex expected-naked environment, with options for anyone who didn’t want to be naked; like a sauna situation. But I would never be happy in a mixed-sex naked environment as i would find it too threatening and oppressive, even if it was In a community where I knew everyone and didn’t feel literally vulnerable to attack. And that especially goes for a situation where I was responsible for children.

My issues about naturism as a political belief or movement are that it seems to arise from a very (what I imagine to be) specifically male experience/relationship of your own body to the environment, and to other people‘s reactions to your (male) body in society.

I do get the principle of wanting to take pleasure in being in your own body without fear of threat or shame or threat of your nakedness being sexualised by another person in any way that would fundamentally bother you. But in my experience this is a form of male privilege, or something that women talk about experiencing only when they are well away from the male gaze.

(This is one of the reasons why women object to the loss of single-sex spaces, like female-only opportunities to exercise and socialise- which is currently being done to us wholesale to pander to genderist politics, led by people who are happy to see safeguarding dismantled completely.)

Ster I’d imagine that many naturists have thought carefully about bodies and consent and context and the sexual differences between men and women and how that relates to power relationships and individual autonomy, as these are the fundamentals presumably of it all working as positively as some people feel that it does.

So for example, what happens when women have a period in naturist culture? How is it dealt with practically and regarded? What limitations (if any) does menstruation place on the full participation of women and girls in naturism? And also can I ask what is an acceptable level of personal physical privacy in naturism, before this becomes not-naturism?

Are the children naked or just the adults?

It’s just weird. That’s all.

And you know my abuse didn’t happen without my clothes on but to think that that creep had seen me as a young girl without clothes sickens me. Subject your kids to it, hope they don’t get to 54 years old feeling like I do.

My naturist male friends aren’t more of a risk than my non-naturist male friends just because they are a naturist

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@SterFran00 this is the third time I have posted this link and I have @ you because I would love to hear your views on this.