Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

I'm pretty certain it means that if something goes wrong, can you show, using evidence, that you did everything to avoid it.

Allowing fully grown men to get completely naked with a whole bunch of naked children, probably isn't going to cut the mustard.

Having naked children mix with naked adult strangers isn't liberal, free, progressive, natural or whatever the hell the naturists want to make us believe it is.

It's abusive. And it's wrong.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty certain safeguarding doesn't mean wait until someone gets an erection, and then chuck them out.

Safeguarding would mean, thirdly, being alert to signs of inappropriate interest - staring, signs of arousal etc. - as you might be at a swimming pool, for example, and reporting/removing children from that situation.

Pelleas, how do you propose a way to make that work in a busy pool when the bulk of attendees bodies are under water??

Just don’t have kids there, it’s really f**ing simple.

People like Dark, myself and others are telling you and other apologists what can and does happen in situations like this. You need to listen.

I now wonder how some of the adult nudists on here feel about being naked at these events when potentially some of the other children present are not comfortable being there and how they would feel about those children seeing them naked.

I don't think you are Datun.

I don't think it should be allowed to take children to these events. It wouldn't be allowed in any other circumstances than "naturism".

I'm actually gobsmacked that it is allowed.

A whole series of events, at which you can see children completely naked, and anyone who says they're a naturist can show up and take all their clothes off.

I honestly feel like I must be missing something.

They weren’t “complicit in the abuse”. The abuse was being taken there. Which all the other families were doing to their dc too.

I agree. I also think it's abusive in and of itself. Children are too young to be able to consent to strangers/adult friends of their parents seeing them naked, and seeing strangers/others naked. Adults only outside the family.

Children being raised in an atmosphere of silent compliance is a parenting issue, not a naturism issue.

Yes it is, because "naturism" 🙄 involves being naked by definition, which is a privacy and dignity issue in and of itself. Why so disingenuous?

However, if the children raise no objections, that isn't an issue.

Children may not feel they can raise an issue. I don't believe they are able to consent to this below a certain age. Appalling understanding of safeguarding among certain posters. It's not just about risk, it's about the environment of privacy and dignity. Not everyone is comfortable being naked around others, including family, but especially strangers, however you think you've brought your children up.

I don't think it should be allowed to take children to these events. It wouldn't be allowed in any other circumstances than "naturism".

I'm so sorry dark. Your experience is horrific and is scarily similar to my lovely friend's. I'm sadly sure it's not uncommon. I cam also remember blokes wanking in the dunes near the nudist beach.

Anyone who kids themselves that choosing to expose their naked children to naked strangers is risk-free to their children is deluding themselves.

@DarkmilkAddict

I’ve had lots of counselling about various things but never mentioned this, none of my friends know either. The shame must’ve gone very deep

I feel your pain - carrying shame for being violated is probably the cruelest trick our minds play on us bolstered by societies that are steeped in DARVO (as illustrated by CSA/rape convictions and reporting that goes unprosecuted, and all of those that go unreported). You deserved protection and a biased (to your safety) ear.

I am disgusted at the apologists on this thread.

Dark has articulated why it's abusive to put children in this situation - as she said, the act of bringing children to this event is in itself abusive.

I'm so shocked at the pool hosting this and making it a free for all. That anyone can't see the the dangers inherent in this is pretty incredible.

Hope this has been useful for others to read about. Anyone else in a similar position please feel free to message me

You have done a great thing by sharing your story here. Please do talk about it, I don't even know you and I am so angry for you, I am sure your friends will be the same. If you can't tell your friends just yet obviously what you say to your counsellor will stay between you two

No but I think I might need to talk about it

Oh Dark that is awful, you shouldn't be the one feeling the shame. Are you still in counselling now?

I love not wearing clothes. It's wonderful. But I wouldn't force that on even my own child, let alone someone else's. The whole 'But naked swimming is so liberating!' argument just doesn't wash with me. Naked ANYTHING can be liberating. But if children are too young to understand why nakedness is liberating, what exactly are they meant to get out of a naked swimming sesh with a load of people they don't know?

I think that everything Handsoffisback has said is right. I cannot fathom what the benefit of naked public swimming is to children. As far as I'm concerned, U18s have no business at events like this.

I’m actually thinking this has affected me more than I realised. So there’s way more to it than the paedophile issue

Jeez dark.

So sorry