A cheer from the Spectator to us Mumsneters on the FWR board

Where were they five bloody years ago, asking to be listened to in public?

No debate, mate, that's where.

Frankly, the only thing this issue ever needs is sunlight.

Let's have it.

Let's have the debate.

We have moved forward just enough, to really have it.

A side issue, but what the fuck is going on with the comments in the times?

Perfectly reasonable comments deleted and a poster making knob jokes every other line.

I think that whoever accepts these petitions would be very aware of the scamming and spamming nature of this petition. It will be noted exactly like their efforts in the last consultation.

I look forward to James’ articles when I see them. It is like a breath of fresh air. So, if you are reading this thread James, thank you and keep on keeping it real!

Fantastic news, very proud of you all!

And how comical that Stonewall are now asking for a debate.

Thank you.

I agree, it’s a good day today. Wonderful article from James, I follow him on Twitter due to his stance on this and was so heartened to read his shout out to the great women of Mumsnet/this board.

Well done Mumsnet for helping to educate me on this matter, my eyes are wide open thanks to you and the brave journalists who stick their necks out again and again. I will not forget!

Stonewall are trying to distract themselves/others.

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1308446253085229056

I didn't think I had a nationalist bone in my body, but it warms the heart cockles to think that Britain is genuinely leading the world in resisting this assault on women's rights. Bravo to all the brave souls who have been fighting the good fight for years, from those of us who have woken up more recently.

Mind I actually think the GRA should be ended in full tbh. Those who already have one, their status can be grandfathered. But the whole point of the GRC is moot. It was only ever a way to get around same sex marriage not being legal, and pension age. Both of which have been sorted now. So the original point is not there anymore. Those who have one, keep it, but no more. Would be my preferred answer to this. But currently, I am quite happy with the result.

Well deserved praise but I think we've one a battle not the war

Sadly, I think you are right. It is a achievement of course, but far far too many companies listened (and continue listening to) mermaids/stonewall bollocks of 'getting ahead of the law' and stuff. Stonewall will also be fighting as dirty as possible, so we have to keep an eye out for their next step, they seem intent on destroying womens rights, by any means necessary for some reason.

I find it hard to understand how TRAs are not happy with the result, when I imagine they think like any other person would. Less cost, win. Easier to apply, win. Acknowledgement that for most transpeople..its other issues that are more important, and as such, more trans related healthcare..double win?! So IF it really was about transpeople, this would be great for them. Unfortunately its been obvious for ages this is nowt to do with trans rights and everything to do with dismantling womens rights. So there can be endless improvements for transpeople and yet the wailing will continue until womens rights are dismantled.

Yes, thanks to the women of FWR, and thanks @MNHQ. Formidable.

Thank you to all the brilliant women in mumsnet, A Woman's Place and academia who led the way and to the few brilliant voices in the media such as James in the Speccie and Janice in The Times. Sterling work from all.

What the petition organisers don't realise is that even if a debate is granted, it will only be a small one in Westminster Hall or a committee room, probably with very few MPs bothering to attend, not a full debate in the House of Commons.

That petition was trending on twitter yesterday.

Every post for ages of scrolling seemed to be either by Americans or bots.

Given TRAs have already gamed one consultation that way, it's not likely that the government are falling for it again.

And thanks @MNHQ for letting the conversation happen, despite all the attempts to silence us. I know there's still a long way to go. But this is a good start.

Indeed. Thank you @JustineMumsnet and @MNHQ

Thank you @JamesKirkup

Well done all of us!

Nice one James!

Cheers James!

As for postcodes, Liz Truss isn't stupid. She knows Stonewall tried & failed to game the consultation.

Thank you James. And to all the brave wonderful women who had so much to lose (and some men) who made this happen. There's just so many of you. And thanks @MNHQ for letting the conversation happen, despite all the attempts to silence us. I know there's still a long way to go. But this is a good start.

I fear that the movement pushing for Self ID however will not go away until the arguments see the light of day in real life and off social media. I hope more people will feel free to share this subject and talk about it more openly now. There is a support from the current government in this statement. It may not always be the case, governments change and there is a powerful lobby pushing for self ID. I agree it is not over. The genius is in youth capture, it is the way the young are rebelling against their parents. Sadly it may turn out to be more harmful than the methods of revolt chosen by their own parents. I've had messages from people who had no idea this was happening, so time to raise awareness perhaps.

Thanks for your article about the spousal exit clause James, if you're lurking, it was good to not be the only person writing about it, for once!