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This is why we shouldn't have to share our safe spaces !! Terrifying!

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Mamacherie · 20/09/2020 21:34

Saw this post on twitter and it is just terrifying how he justifies this type of thinking and behavior as if it is normal. This is why we need our own safe spaces. Imagine letting this guy in ???

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CountFosco · 21/09/2020 12:58

Can't we report him to West Yorkshire Police? They are very keen on investigating Twitter posts that people find offensive.

Tootletum · 21/09/2020 12:58

So I'm probably going to annoy people with this thought experiment, but if you inserted "black" instead of TRA into this debate, you wouldn't view it as a justifiable argument. "Because some black people are criminals, black people you meet are more likely to be criminals?" Nobody except a racist thinks that's an acceptable POV, and yet what you're doing with the safe spaces argument is the same thing. I am also very worried about the whole thing, and think a lot of TRAs are insane, but this is a weak argument. Focus on the GRC as it stands, and accept trams women with a GRC. If they're genuine they would absolutely see why it's a sensitive issue and I don't think they'd be getting their tackle out in full view. Maybe I'm wrong.

OldCrony · 21/09/2020 12:56

@Holothane

Here we go again 🤦‍♀️

Go on - what have I done now?

Datun · 21/09/2020 12:51

@TyroBurningDownTheCloset

How to prevent this while letting the 'box's tw in is easy: bring back and strengthen the gatekeeping.

The requirement to satisfy a doctor that you're not motivated by sexual perversion served a safeguarding function. It was supposed to weed out people such as the delightful specimen in the OP.

I propose we make the production of a GRC mandatory if a male wishes to access female spaces (actually I don't, but in the interests of a pragmatic solution that the middle ground would accept). And I propose that in order to acquire a GRC a male must be able to demonstrate, to the satisfaction of doctors of both sexes trained in identifying misogynistic and potentially dangerous thoughts/traits/behaviours, that he is not a threat.

Their privacy rights should not override our safety rights. Tighten GRC rquirements, and then no GRC = no entry. Job done.

And if that means businesses have to stump up for toilet attendants then so be it - job creation is pretty important, after all!

The problem with this is that it might well weed out complete, off the scale, nutcases, but it won't weed out your common or garden misogynist, sexist, bully, lech.

An overlong stare, a smirk - not necessarily the tools in trade of a psychopath, but a very ordinary man.

No thanks.

Holothane · 21/09/2020 12:40

Here we go again 🤦‍♀️

OldCrony · 21/09/2020 12:28

I'm referring to this new thing called kink shaming...

OldCrony · 21/09/2020 12:27

Why can't one criticise kinks these days?

And is that just to be polite or will the police come knocking if you say owt (online) like what happened to Harry the owl?

Serious questions.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 21/09/2020 12:06

Don't forget everyone it's just a "few individuals" and some "isolated incidents". Yes I know that in normal language an isolated incident is something that only happens once, not multiple times, but that isn't what it means here. In this context an isolated incident can refer to any number of incidents. The more likely they are to form a pattern, the more they must be considered unconnected, and no matter how many there are they are always "one offs". And it's definitely just a "few individuals", not groups. Even if there are enough individuals to form quite a large group, its definitely not a group. Even if the majority behaved in this way, they would still just be lots of individuals, together but not in a group, repeatedly doing their multiple one off isolated incidents (which only ever count as 1, remember) +. Nothing that should be used to make any kind of connections or perform any sort of group analysis. Everyone clear on that?

SunsetBeetch · 21/09/2020 12:03

@Alexandernevermind

I miss the days we were allowed to laugh at people like this and call them weirdos and perverts.
But now that's "kink shaming".
Alexandernevermind · 21/09/2020 11:41

I miss the days we were allowed to laugh at people like this and call them weirdos and perverts.

itsor · 21/09/2020 11:26

Call me an old-fashioned bigot, but I don't love the idea of having male people who fantasise about dismembering women and possibly wearing our skin next to me when I'm in a state of undress and vulnerable, and don't really want them in my (or my daughter's) safe spaces. I know, I know, I should have the police called on me for harbouring such horrible opinions.

Malahaha · 21/09/2020 10:52

@EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus

Unless anyone has any bright ideas on how we can write the law so that we keep weirdos like this out while letting the nice transwomen in.

I know some very nice men who I’m sure aren’t a threat.

Still not getting changed in front of them.

This. My son, my son-in-law, my daughter's father-in-law are among them. No threat whatsoever. But I'm as prude as prude can be when it comes to undressing in their company.
TyroBurningDownTheCloset · 21/09/2020 10:30

'box's 'nice'! Bloody autocorrect...

TyroBurningDownTheCloset · 21/09/2020 10:29

How to prevent this while letting the 'box's tw in is easy: bring back and strengthen the gatekeeping.

The requirement to satisfy a doctor that you're not motivated by sexual perversion served a safeguarding function. It was supposed to weed out people such as the delightful specimen in the OP.

I propose we make the production of a GRC mandatory if a male wishes to access female spaces (actually I don't, but in the interests of a pragmatic solution that the middle ground would accept). And I propose that in order to acquire a GRC a male must be able to demonstrate, to the satisfaction of doctors of both sexes trained in identifying misogynistic and potentially dangerous thoughts/traits/behaviours, that he is not a threat.

Their privacy rights should not override our safety rights. Tighten GRC rquirements, and then no GRC = no entry. Job done.

And if that means businesses have to stump up for toilet attendants then so be it - job creation is pretty important, after all!

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 09:35

I had a quick look at the copy - say ‘oppressed class’ and something about drawing dismembered female bodies.

That’s some narrative you’ve got going there, pal. I’d suggest speaking to a professional.

CrossPorpoises · 21/09/2020 08:27

I wonder what it is that makes him hate women and children so much?

Queenoftheashes · 21/09/2020 08:11

This guy is a fucking creep. Also it was specifically covered in silence of the lambs that buffalo bill was not in fact trans, did he even read it?

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 08:06

Haven’t read the blurb just looked at the pic. I wonder who their inspiration is?

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Giningit · 21/09/2020 07:51

It seems like all safeguarding goes out of the window when it comes to males being able to Self ID into women’s spaces.

Giningit · 21/09/2020 07:48

How lovely Shock

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 21/09/2020 07:34

We need to store these tweets and crime reports so we always have them ready to show anyone who dismisses our concerns. Thanks for posting, Mamacherie.

SunsetBeetch · 21/09/2020 07:12

@WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName

OMG.... this is terrifying. He openly discusses dismembering female bodies. How can he be so brazen?
Because he knows that no matter how many examples like him we point out we still get shouted down and called bigots.
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