Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

First of all the narrative was that the women were disgusted by not being allowed to speak. ... Then the narrative was changed - within hours - that they had actually wanted to be arrested in order to appear in court ... If they don't get their day in court I suspect the narrative will change to 'we made our point, don't need hassle of a court case'.

I'm puzzled by your comment, SorryImKnew. This is real life, not a scripted drama. The situation was changing fast and women were having to react quickly. What would you have them do?

I for one would have been stunned by the police action, against women obeying the law, after police have allowed so many illegal gatherings. Those illegal gatherings were also antisocial, in spreading the coronavirus.

The big difference, of course, is that certain men enjoy attacking women. Really bad news when those men are police.

And I took from her commentary that, given the preparations for the protest, she was simply aware that if the police did arrest her it would be a political act on their behalf.

Re Posie, I imagine it's less about actively wanting to be arrested, (who wants that?) and more about thinking on her feet in terms of publicity. Either for the cause she went there to talk about or, subsequently, the way that these talks are dealt with by the police.

Police have stood by whilst women have been intimidated, police have ordered lesbians off chairs, police have mounted their horses to disperse women handing out leaflets.

There are two strands to this debate. Firstly the actual issue, and secondly the way women taking about the issue are shutdown.

Posey quite clearly makes snap decisions all the time when confronted with the unpredictable.

And this is what she did.

She wasn't going to allow the illegal prevention of her talking about this issue. And she was going to let the world see it.

It's not difficult to understand.

I didn't know asses got stoned! You learn something every day

Leeds Resisters and Spinners and standing for women 🌸💐

Missed off the !

 Leeds Resisters and Standing for Women

I'm waiting to hear if there's been any news from Ann Sinnott about her potential judicial review. The EHRC were due to respond today.

Oh were they, thanks I’ve had unwell cats so missed a couple of important things happening!

Big vote of thanks to MNHQ for some excellent modding in a difficult situation!

I feel that the EHRC will be viewed as unethical if the say they misrepresented, but don't inform all those to whom they gave duff information.

I am trying to understand how women needing single sex spaces and services following CSA is nothing to do with feminism - the only thing you have said in response since then is that you disagree with my posts or they're not worth responding to. That says it all, suppose.

If it wasn't for me, your thread would never have reached 'trending'.

Thank God you turned up, then.

I'm waiting to hear if there's been any news from Ann Sinnott about her potential judicial review. The EHRC were due to respond today.

There's a thread about Liz Truss's statement here Liz Truss WILL make a statement today www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4030346-Liz-Truss-WILL-make-a-statement-today

Oh thank you! I missed this news!

However one thing bothers me:

“The full benefit of the increases in clinical capacity that we’ve been able to secure will lead to greater patient choice, shorter waiting times, better geographical coverage and easier access,” Ms Truss said. “It will also make it easier to fulfil the medical requirements of obtaining a GRC [gender recognition certificate].”

Where is this sort of commitment to wait times and care for women’s health issues? I feel there is preferential treatment here but I’ll find the thread to talk about it rather than do so here.

Announcement was today, Milly.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/plans-to-let-transgender-people-self-identify-are-shelved-p98dgpskj

(Sorry, never have managed to do share tokens - someone with better app-wrangling-skills than me may be able to put one in)

Leeds Resisters and Standing for Women.

this is a deliberate tactic which has been used in the past by people who would rather some things were not publicised/discussed at all

It is. But it isn’t working. I wait optimistically for Liz Truss’ announcements tomorrow.

All the women there would have been quite happy to go ahead and speak just like they have done on numerous other times previously, however, the situation changed as soon as the police became involved. Poise decided she would rather be arrested than accept a fine for doing nothing wrong. That would give her a chance to fight her cause in court. What a brave woman.

This exactly. They, we, want to be able to speak freely. If that had been allowed, happy days. But as that didn’t happen, then yeah, the next best thing is to not accept a fine for doing something legally allowed and to fight against these tactics the police are employing against women, while allowing other groups to have their freedoms. Did they all suspect the police might not allow it? Possibly. But why should women be content to allow this illegal, discriminatory behaviour from police?