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New Guardian article on JKR

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GoodyWoolf · 20/09/2020 11:55

Not sure if this has already been posted already, I couldn’t see it.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/20/making-a-demon-of-jk-rowling-is-a-wretched-sport-born-of-misogyny-and-resentment?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Zombieieieieie · 21/09/2020 13:13

Interesting - like PP have said the Guardian was part of the original pile-on and I've been avoiding it since.

I was horrified by an article I read in The Independent the other day, basically pure gaslighting. Basically saying it was the morally correct and worthwhile thing to do to boycott the new HP game because of JKR's 'transphobic' stance. Confused Totally unbalanced and preachy (and honestly, just a crock of utter shit) but it was the way it was taken as read that JKR was transphobic, despite many people not agreeing with that position at all. I still find it hard to wrap my head around that.

queenofknives · 21/09/2020 13:03

Well, Julie Burchill's always been considered highly offensive by just about everyone, so I'm glad she's lending her voice to women! It ought to garner some publicity for Standing 4 Women and other of our causes. I do like a woman who speaks her mind :)

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 12:51

Bingo! I thought i was going mad there...

queenofknives · 21/09/2020 12:49

twitter.com/boozeandfagz?lang=en - this one?

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 12:31

I’m sure it was Julie birchel! I could have misread if?

NotTerfNorCis · 21/09/2020 12:11

Serenity it might be this or this.

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 11:53

I can’t see it and can’t find her account. Duh...

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 11:47

Nah - she’s done all T* out and proud. I’ll see if I can’t find the screenshot.

queenofknives · 21/09/2020 11:02

@SerenityNowwwww

Speaking of Julie - she’s gone all out on her twitter biog/handle (whatever you call it).
I'm not on twitter - is she going all out with defending or attacking the guardian?
NotTerfNorCis · 21/09/2020 09:51

I was really pleased to see this article. Good for CB!

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 09:49

Speaking of Julie - she’s gone all out on her twitter biog/handle (whatever you call it).

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 09:48

The ‘journalists’ will be weeping into their chai lattes...

ASmallMovie · 21/09/2020 09:48

Yeah, this was in the Obs not the Guardian. I don’t think CB writes for the Guardian.
The Obs has largely avoided the issue since the Julie Burchill column in 2013.

CrossPorpoises · 21/09/2020 09:44

Just read one reply saying the Guardian is more transphobic than the Mail and the Times

That's made my fucking day, that has.

SerenityNowwwww · 21/09/2020 09:41

@queenofknives

They can just fuck off as far as I'm concerned. Until they cop to their own part in the misogynist abuse handed out to women on this topic for the last ten years or more, they can just fuck off. I was banned from CiF ten years ago for questioning their trans propaganda - and it has only got worse ever since, with women not even allowed to speak. I don't want to hear someone talking about JK's 'anti trans' comments, even if they're condemning the abuse she got - the guardian needs to grow a conscience and admit that she said nothing wrong. I suppose I should be glad they published this article, which suggests at least they are realising they need to do some backtracking. Maybe childish of me, but I feel quite bitter towards them and their columnists.
Yes this.
RoyalCorgi · 21/09/2020 09:41

Catherine Bennett has been consistently good on this issue. And I think yes, some columnists are allow more leeway to write on this issue than others, but it's also true that the Observer is marginally less awful than the Guardian. They have different editorial teams making different decisions.

queenofknives · 21/09/2020 09:24

Guardian were part of the original pile on.

Yes, a big part of it. And not just with JK. But for a long, long time. Ten years or so ago they got a load of TRAs moderating CiF and they literally just banned women from speaking. They would put up these propaganda articles, and then women would comment and they would delete all the women's comments and leave only the supportive comments up, and they'd send horrible emails threatening you that they were going to ban you, then they basically banned all the women.

I appreciate that CB was not part of that but I can't bring myself to celebrate the Guardian as I think they have been integral to steering the discussion to the place it's in now. I know maybe it's childish of me but I just can't. I find it the most despicable organisation and I think they should fucking apologise for what they've done. They systematically silenced women and then mocked us for having no voice.

ChattyLion · 21/09/2020 00:53

Great article!

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Wandawomble · 21/09/2020 00:49

Guardian were part of the original pile on.
Why are they shifting opinion now...
I feel the same as you QueenofKnives.
Individual journalist allowed to speak sometimes isn’t enough.
The Guardian has allowed a scandal to grow and blossom.

Wandawomble · 21/09/2020 00:43

Yeah they are screaming on twitter and Facebook about this, saying it’s not misogyny whilst saying it’s all her fault. No one is addressing the death and rape threats.
Hypocrites.

ArabellaScott · 20/09/2020 23:17

Well, wow. That is a good article, and I can hear the absolute fury powering it. Well done, Catherine Bennett.

I'm now feeling somewhat jaded reading the facbook link and thinking in my day, it were the Daily Mail comments that made you inhale sharply, these days, it's the Guardian's. Loooong lists of progressive, liberal feminists lining up to say that JKR deserves death threats because of something she said. What have we come to.

Lumene · 20/09/2020 22:06

This is great. CB is fab.

queenofknives · 20/09/2020 19:51

Just read one reply saying the Guardian is more transphobic than the Mail and the Times, which requires some mental gymnastics!

They definitely are way more transphobic, if we are talking about transsexuals, many of whom have consistently campaigned alongside women to defend women's rights. They lump them in with transvestites and nonbinaries and make them seem laughable, when in fact they are a marginalised minority within a minority.