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The Fair Cop Report on the Capture of the Police is out

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gardenbird48 · 19/09/2020 18:48

www.faircop.org.uk/politicised-police-are-misrepresenting-the-law-new-report-reveals/

I haven’t read the whole thing yet but looking at the headings - yikes!

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Aesopfable · 20/09/2020 08:52

The danger that must be avoided is in coming across as simply a conspiracy theorist.

Aesopfable · 20/09/2020 08:49

I had glanced at the contents page but it was rather opaque so had marked it to read when I had time, but these reviews are disappointing. This needs to be presented in a clear factual way with no distractions. Though it perhaps fits with their ‘Nah, nah, we know something you don’t know!’ approach to news releases.

Fair Cop are dealing with profoundly important issues and have put their money where there mouth is. They are awaiting an appeal which will matter to all of us. They have my huge respect for pursuing this and I don’t feel I need to agree with everyone’s approach. I also recognise it is very stressful for all involved and this can be relieved by humour. But I fear it undermines their credibility when talking to others who are new to the debate.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 20/09/2020 08:27

Oh, it's very much a Pamphlet isn't it. One of those ones strange people used to hand out as I walked around London that I read with a confused look on my face....

Yes. Needs a re-write. Sticking to the point, get rid of all the 'humour'.

persistentwoman · 20/09/2020 08:17

That was a frustrating read. So much important information hidden away amidst a torrent of humour, sarcasm, irony and the rest. I can see that much effort has been put into this but if I (as a literate reader interested in the issue) gave up half way through in exasperation, others just won't bother. It's self indulgent.
They need a rewrite. Focus on the outrageous facts about the police's partial policing and cosying up to political lobby groups and drop all the hyperbole, wit and sarcasm.

highame · 20/09/2020 08:13

Keir Starmer stepped down as head of CPS is 2013. I wonder if he had any responsibility for the overriding of women's rights regards to EA and the mess the CPS has gotten itself into. It had to start somewhere

highame · 20/09/2020 08:11

Time for an overhaul of the CPS, what a shower.

Shame the report isn't top drawer.

flowery · 20/09/2020 08:09

@SonEtLumiere

I also think the report is poor and the 350k/350M error is unforgivable. It makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I don’t think it is a report so much as a pamphlet. It needs radical edit, and resetting

Exactly. There’s really important stuff in there, but it has been written and presented in a way that completely undermines the credibility of the content. It will allow people who disagree to dismiss it and will struggle to convince anyone currently on the fence or unaware.

Apart from anything else, most people will not read every word of something like this, so it needs to be produced in such a way that someone can easily find information and reads bits of it. You look at the contents page and it is completely impossible to do that. It’s just not clear.

AnyOldPrion · 20/09/2020 07:43

More feedback, in case the author is reading.

I hadn’t realised previously that the Hate Crime/Hate Incident activity came directly from the College of Policing and is not based on any actual law. The fact that the College of Policing is effectively inventing and prosecuting the law as it wants it to be, and not as it is, is huge.

Back to my governing body, which has introduced a social media policy, based around this version: where transgender identity is highlighted as an area subjected to hate-crime laws. I had tried to work out where that came from and found it in the CPS guidance, so concluded it must be official and guided/backed up in law somewhere.

Possibly this is obvious to those closely involved with this situation. I know Fair Cop includes lawyers and former police officers, but I had missed this aspect. I realise that might be what the legal case is about, but that aspect was less clear than all the information about PC Gul’s dubious training.

If the College of Policing is making up the law, I think that needs to be spelled out with absolute clarity in words that everyone can follow. It should also, perhaps, be front and centre in any document explaining where things are going wrong.

AnyOldPrion · 20/09/2020 07:10

Very funny but extremely scary

I’m finding it difficult to read (currently on p16 out of 70).

I will persist, but I think jumping around from Alice, to 1984 to The Arabian Nights is (unfortunately) distracting. Important facts are buried in amongst flights of fancy and unclear metaphors.

Which is very sad, because as I started to read, I had hoped to find a clear (even if scathing) document that I could share.

I massively admire what Harry Miller and Fair Cop have achieved, and have no objections to using humour, but it’s essential that the message doesn’t get lost.

I should add that perhaps I’m being picky. I have been meaning to write to the president of my profession’s governing body and would love a crystal clear outline of exactly what’s going wrong in Stonewall. Alison Bailey’s statement is damning, but I hoped to find something that would make the wider legal situation and the institutional capture clear. This isn’t it.

SonEtLumiere · 20/09/2020 07:03

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AsTreesWalking · 20/09/2020 06:49

gardenbird it took me a few moments to realise you weren't trying to be play a particularly tricky pavan...

DryHeave · 20/09/2020 06:26

Found an error. Brexit bus promised £350million per week, not £350k.

Angryresister · 20/09/2020 00:45

Very funny but extremely scary .

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/09/2020 20:14

Thanks. I'll look at this tomorrow

gardenbird48 · 19/09/2020 18:57

And I’m two glasses of wine in and trying to safely operate the mandolin so need to focus for now :-)

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