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Im concerned my DS (24) has gotten into Red Pill/MGTOW stuff

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CastleOfCary · 18/09/2020 17:40

Hello, I’m not really sure if this is the right forum to post this in Confused, but out of all the ones on mumsnet, it seems the most relevant.

So my son has a good social life, and since obtaining a bachelors degree took on a role with the Royal Marines, which he is really enjoying as a career. He’s also very into art (drawing, painting etc) which I must admit, he is very skilled at.

Last week he came home for a visit (first time he was on action since the whole lockdown lark was going on), and whilst conversing with him, I dropped into the conversation asking if he was seeing anyone. The response concerned me.

He started talking about how “marriage was a dead institution, and I am not jumping onto that dying trend.” Trying to keep an open mind I then asked why, to which he quoted a bunch of different divorce stats, and talked about other things like child support, biased divorce settlements in court and how he believes it’s outrageous this stuff happens etc.

He’s not particularly the “incel” type you might envision when it comes to this type of stuff, he’s a tall, handsome fella with blond hair and blue eyes, is in great shape and his life is fairly well together too.

However, I think part of this may be him coming from a place of hurt, and that could be how he got sucked into this philosophy the MGTOW type people have surrounding relationships, marriages etc. He had a girlfriend of three years who happened to have two affairs whilst in the relationship he didn’t find out about. She also happened to be very abusive too, and all of this is how I think he may have got sucked into this stuff.

Ever since this he’s refused to get involved in dating/relationships since. When he came back to visit last week, an old friend of his, a pretty blonde girl asked him out on a coffee date to which he declined “no thanks”. He seems hell bent on staying out of relationships and even just going out on dates forever at this point. How can I approach this situation, and perhaps try to get him out of this toxic mindset he might be in? Thanks Smile

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jajajao · 18/09/2020 23:51

@Summerhillsquare

I suppose he might also be gay or otherwise not attracted to women, and struggling to come to terms with it.
Man doesn't pursue every single sexual opportunity presented. Might be gay... come on....

On the information shared it is more likely he's had some bad experiences with relationships and is taking a break from them, and I can imagine he is around blokes who share divorce stories with their own spin on them and he has taken some of that on board.

notyourhandmaid · 18/09/2020 23:29

I think you're right to worry that he's gotten into MGTOW stuff. Sad

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/09/2020 21:36

What is 'toxic' about a desire to remain single, avoid dating, or express scepticism about traditional marriage?

Are you sure it's not just that you're concerned he's not going to conform to the future that you had mapped out for him inside your own mind?

Summerhillsquare · 18/09/2020 21:18

I suppose he might also be gay or otherwise not attracted to women, and struggling to come to terms with it.

FifteenToes · 18/09/2020 20:59

Why are you so keen to change him?

There are serious problems with marriage as an institution, both for women and men, and plenty of people stay single and are happy as such.

The whole pressure to couple up thing sounds quaintly old fashioned to me. There are many different way for people to live and be happy.

Toseland · 18/09/2020 19:52

A male friend was like this all through his 20’s, swearing he would never get married and disparaging it in every way possible! He’s been happily married since his late 40s. I guess your son has been badly hurt. Just love him and give him time. Xxx

WhereYouLeftIt · 18/09/2020 19:12

I think this may well be a 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' situation.

At best, all you can do probably is point out to him that if he's determined not to marry and raise a family, that's his choice. But you'd be very disappointed should he impregnate women and then abandon his offspring, so perhaps he should do the responsible thing and consider a vasectomy.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 18/09/2020 18:19

Leave him to it. He still sounds angry.

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