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I've just finished Troubled Blood and there is NO transphobia

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AviceCaro · 17/09/2020 13:33

I've just finished it - it's very long and very very good - and definitely no transphobia! One brief mention of someone who might be the murderer might have worn a woman's coat to confuse his victims - it's one page out of 900! It's so not relevant to the plot.

It's such a good read, and really disappointing that it's getting so much negative attention.

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DeRigueurMortis · 17/09/2020 15:33

@ANoTail

I've just read through a rant on Twitter where someone's complaining because, in the book, a man dresses up in a burka to commit a crime. Is that part actually in there? The person on Twitter does not sound as though they've read it so am a bit sceptical.

No it's not true.

I have the book on my kindle and just to ensure I'm 100% accurate I have searched the word "burka" against the full contents of the book and it's not found.

ANoTail · 17/09/2020 15:29

I've just read through a rant on Twitter where someone's complaining because, in the book, a man dresses up in a burka to commit a crime. Is that part actually in there? The person on Twitter does not sound as though they've read it so am a bit sceptical.

Butterer · 17/09/2020 15:28

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DeRigueurMortis · 17/09/2020 15:28

I've also read the book in full.

As well as the totally unfounded comments that the book contains transphobia, what also pisses me off is the underlying lazy misogyny when the book is being described about a male serial killer.

The book is actually about the investigation of a woman who went missing 40 years ago.

Yet here we are again with everyone literally re-writing the page to centre the story about a man.

There are a number of suspects, one of which is a now incarcerated serial killer who lured one of his victims who survived by dressing in a woman's coat and wig.

There is no suggestion that this man was trans or even a cross dresser. There is no sub text - just the fact than that he used this as a device to make him appear non threatening.

If there is anything to be read into this it's actually how far violent and dangerous men will go to inflict their sadism on women.

The only other references in the book are:

  1. when the fictional serial killers actions in dressing as a woman to catch his victims are (in a sentence) compared with a real life serial killer (again male, not trans, not a cross dresser: Jerry Brudos who had a shoe fetish) who did the same in respect to one of his victims.
  1. A witness to the last movements of the missing woman who has not been traced is described by most other witness as a woman but one suggested that because of their build they might have been male. There's a reason for this but I don't want to post any spoilers.
bellinisurge · 17/09/2020 15:15

Me too VoleClock .

VoleClock · 17/09/2020 15:13

Isn't it which side the buttons are on that makes a coat for men or women? (Was a big thing with cardigans when I was a child)

Kit19 · 17/09/2020 15:08

Men’s coats of course being blue with footballs on them

bellinisurge · 17/09/2020 15:08

A woman's coat is presumably one cut in a half arsed attempt to match a woman's shape. Y'know, like the ones you get in shops.

zanahoria · 17/09/2020 15:05

" Anyone asked what constitutes a 'women's' coat yet"

Pink with flowers on it

bellinisurge · 17/09/2020 15:05

Had a completely shit day at work. Started it last night. About to go into full "feet up/brew/book" mode with this one.
I am shocked that anyone would even think that some one would disguise themselves to gain access to victims. I mean, that never happens.

Brandaris · 17/09/2020 15:03

I was once targeted by a nasty individual who decided she didn’t like me, it went on for a while and as we were both part of a sports club it became detrimental to the whole club because of the extreme way she behaved. I raised the matter with the group’s committee, but she had clearly got to them first, they thought I had been bullying her.

The thing was that even though I had done absolutely nothing wrong (as witnessed by everyone else) I was cast as a bully because in the committee’s words, “if you perceive you are being bullied then you are being bullied, perception is reality”. Which didn’t really give me anything to work with as her perception was clearly divorced from reality.

Somehow this feels the same. Someone somewhere has decided they feel the book is transphobic, and yet without any proof the fact they feel it is so is more important than actual reality.

RuffleCrow · 17/09/2020 15:03

Even if the character had a GRC, it would still only be a fictional representation of the fact that males of all genders commit male pattern crimes.

Kit19 · 17/09/2020 15:03

Hahaha I love her

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/17/jk-rowling-villain-womens-clothes-based-on-real-cases-robert-galbraith-troubled-blood

She’s already started the next book. She who will not be cancelled....

Kit19 · 17/09/2020 15:01

At this stage JKR could publish an entirely blank sheet of paper & TRA would insist it was transphobic & hateful

DeaconBoo · 17/09/2020 15:00

Anyone asked what constitutes a 'women's' coat yet?

Can't work out if it's pro- or anti- trans rights to believe that an article of clothing can be worn by either sex. Smile

BovaryX · 17/09/2020 14:59

I guess that some fanatics are fixated on JKR and can't cope with her refusal to meekly submit to the new orthodoxy. She can write any plot she likes, she's an author.

Butterer · 17/09/2020 14:54

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BovaryX · 17/09/2020 14:53

Kit19

It's utterly bloody insane. This article is quite funny about it:

www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/jk-rowling-new-book-troubled-blood-not-transphobic/

Kit19 · 17/09/2020 14:51

Yep Bovary - beyond belief isn’t it

BovaryX · 17/09/2020 14:48

That paragraph has triggered calls for a book bonfire, death threats and a Tsunami of misogyny? It really is profoundly pathetic.

AviceCaro · 17/09/2020 14:44

Here it is

I've just finished Troubled Blood and there is NO transphobia
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Bufferingkisses · 17/09/2020 14:23

Is there any chance you fancy sending me a PM with the paragraph? Simply because my super woke young adult children are going a bit off the wall about this book - they even screenshot blooming prick news in our group chat. I'm the one who tends to let them rave then points out the obvious flaws and middle ground. So far it's worked well, they still talk to me and listen to what I say which is a bonus. I'd love another opportunity to calmly debunk one of these ridiculous articles. I'm not going to read the book simply because it's not my thing. (I already did the debunking of the pen name btw).

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/09/2020 14:12

JKR could post a video of puppies and kittens playing together in a field of flowers, and there'd be some subtle transphobic dig in it 🙄

I feel awful for trans people who really are victims of transphobia. These activist idiots have rendered the word absolutely meaningless.

BovaryX · 17/09/2020 14:12

@Jellyeggs

There’s transphobia if trans people say there’s transphobia.

If you say different you are transphobic.

A trans person is whatever they say they are.

If you say different you are transphobic.

If a trans person says that a character JK Rowling created is trans, then they are. And anything she says about that character is transphobic. If they say it is.

Do you Understand yet?

It really is beyond absurd.
Jellyeggs · 17/09/2020 14:05

There’s transphobia if trans people say there’s transphobia.

If you say different you are transphobic.

A trans person is whatever they say they are.

If you say different you are transphobic.

If a trans person says that a character JK Rowling created is trans, then they are. And anything she says about that character is transphobic. If they say it is.

Do you Understand yet?

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