Irish women, have you seen this?

@ForeverFaithless - Given the way things are moving I'm going to respond to the IHREC again and ask if I can target my services to 'women with a cervix'. This would purposely exclude any man who identifies as a woman.

I would target women, and others, with a cervix. The second comma is very important as it means women with a cervix and others with a cervix (you probably know that anyway but no harm pointing it out). That's assuming you don't have an issue treating transmen.

I don't like that this excludes women who have had their cervix removed but it seems to be the only way not to get sued.

It may also exclude transmen but my understanding is that many would not be able to avail of acupuncture /reflexology /massage (possibly other alternative therapies) as taking medication can be seen as a serious contraindication to treatment.

Given the way things are moving I'm going to respond to the IHREC again and ask if I can target my services to 'women with a cervix'. This would purposely exclude any man who identifies as a woman.

Thanks for that update Annasgirl. Maybe there really is value in on-goingly prompting the NWCI to remember what the W stands for. Maybe it would be a step too far for them to challenge the situation in Limerick Prison but if they are there to represent the interests of women then surely the safety of those prisoners should be on their agenda?

Heartening also to see Roisin tweet the Jenni Murray article.

Alert

The Sunday Times report that the National Women's Council of Ireland have requested the HSE replace their new wording on the Cervical Cancer information to state "women, girls and anyone with a cervix".

The NWCI are meeting with the HSE and TENI to discuss - now while I do not support the inclusion of TENI in this, I guess they are not going to go the whole hog in the current climate.

It is on page 5 of the main paper. Well done ladies, keep up the good fight, this whole thing has opened up a shocking can of worms where we realise how badly we have been shafted by the GRA. It also references Sarah Anderson - shout out of you are here Sarah, well done for getting this the publicity it required.

@Porridgeoat - I’d love to know who they did their extensive testing with. Did they spell out the implications of not using the word woman, that some women. won’t know what a cervix is or that women’s services are being eroded.

I have asked who they did their testing with and how they conducted it. I'm still waiting on a reply.

This outcome would make me question core research’s approach to researching. They should have started the questionnaire with which sex has a cervix? Then where is you cervix? What does your cervix do? They should have also checked the understanding of the phrase ‘people with a cervix’ and the understanding of which groups this applies to. That would have picked up the comprehension issue immediately. Next they should have a question about removing the word women completely from literature and if this was negative or positive for females.

[quote GrainneMhaol]www.thetimes.co.uk/article/national-womens-council-of-ireland-to-hse-change-anyone-with-a-cervix-advice-wvblnmplt[/quote]
I was coming on to post this too! This shit show has made the British papers. The NWCI seem to be taking the right approach to this too. Is it too much to hope that they’ve seen the light?

Sorry. I see now you've already gotten a canned response. 😕

I’d love to know who they did their extensive testing with. Did they spell out the implications of not using the word woman, that some women. won’t know what a cervix is or that women’s services are being eroded.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/national-womens-council-of-ireland-to-hse-change-anyone-with-a-cervix-advice-wvblnmplt

"Vulval waxing"

"Nonorchidal depilation"

That latter barber shop case - I remember it at the time, where a transman with a GRC was turned away from a barbers, and the barbers said they thought the person in question was a woman not a transman. The transman won the case of discrimination on grounds of gender = transgender, not gender = male.

The three different gender categories in the equal status act (male, female, transgender) mean that transman does not equal male and transwoman does not equal female in equality law. A lawyer friend of mine thinks that in some ways, that makes the exemption easier to apply, and a waxmyballs situation would find in favour of the beautician.

But until a case comes to tribunal, it's all hypothetical...

SecondRow - what I take from the email is that another WaxMyBalls is going to make an appearance in Ireland and make life a misery for small business women here

*"from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman."

According to the Act once you change gender you change sex. Genitalia doesn't matter. I cannot believe Irish politians voted for this.

My point was.that for example, if a woman went into a toilet to get away from some creepy guy, the security guard would be put in a very difficult position. If the creepy guy says I am a woman the security guard cannot ask for evidence.
So they put every safeguard in for trans people and none for women

There is self I’d in Ireland anyway so not sure asking for a GRC would hold any water. They have really messed up in Ireland and is one of the reasons I am hesitant about moving back there - women’s rights have take a huge step backwards - and what’s worse is people are afraid to even discuss.