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Irish women, have you seen this?

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SecondRow · 17/09/2020 08:23

The HSE removed the word "woman" from their CERVICAL screening pages Angry
I stumbled across this tweet
twitter.com/Salwicklow/status/1305967737563422720?s=20

politely asking them to put woman back in, alongside trans men and trans women, who both get their own special mentions, but they have brushed off the woman who made the original request and are no longer replying.

Here's the HSE pages
www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/when-you-should-have-cervical-screening/who-should-have-cervical-screening.html

And here's Aoife Martin - no cervix skin in the game Hmm inviting followers to mock women for wanting the 99.9% of people who need cervical screening to be named as such by a health service that already has some serious catching up to do before women can believe it has their best interests at heart.

twitter.com/aoifemrtn/status/1306339571790159872?s=20

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SecondRow · 22/09/2020 09:35

Apparently TENI have come back around to the idea of women again too, after getting all confused there on Saturday Wink

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Annasgirl · 22/09/2020 09:15

Yes, I agree - there is no GC politician out there (and the only people who even mention it are really right wing Catholic types (I am Catholic but of the very liberal variety so might even be excommunicated if they really looked into me).

On another note, I was driving DS to school this morning at about 7.45 and I heard Colum O'Gorman on the radio saying Amensty were fighting against misogyny and hate filled posting towards women on Twitter - the irony, Colum and Amnesty have already decided that Women should not be allowed their own spaces and to promote self ID - but suddenly he is aware of misogyny? I think he should get his own house in order before throwing stones (to quote the Bible as a fitting bookend to my post Grin).

Cupoftea1234 · 22/09/2020 09:04

@SecondRow

Well, no, correction, I am criticizing the politicians and journalists who've been contacted and made aware and haven't responded. Those people whose job it is to advocate for their constituents or articulate the concerns of the people. Yes I am highly unimpressed with them.
Yes, I don't think a single politician has commented on the cervical screening " people with a cervix "issue, despite all the controversy surrounding failures in screening over the past few years. The silence is scary.
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SecondRow · 22/09/2020 08:54

Well, no, correction, I am criticizing the politicians and journalists who've been contacted and made aware and haven't responded. Those people whose job it is to advocate for their constituents or articulate the concerns of the people. Yes I am highly unimpressed with them.

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SecondRow · 22/09/2020 08:50

Hi Shetoshe, glad you found us Grin

I posted this thread here (and in Craicnet) because I know that a fair few Irish GC women tend to gravitate here. I had a look on boards.ie the other night as well, there's a long-running JK Rowling thread where the current HSE cervix issue was brought up as well, from a quick scan I think the consensus was in favour of women. But the fact remains it seems to be hard to get traction in the mainstream, ie, real names, well-known Irish people to stand up.

I am anonymous on twitter myself so I am not criticising anyone by the way. I know there are a lot of women working individually and also networking behind the scenes and I'm trying to support and amplify in any small way I can. Was delighted that the people I finally asked to help in real life - Mum, sister and friend - responded positively so please all do this too!

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3timeslucky · 22/09/2020 08:19

@Shetoshe

The relief of stumbling across this page! I've been silently despairing about feeling like the only woman in the country who is GC as everyone I know IRL is all "TWAW".

Just sent my complaint to the HSE - thanks for raising the issue on here OP. Glad to see so many like minded souls, it gives me hope Smile

I can understand why you'd feel like the last woman standing based on media and the loud voices effect. If you're on Twitter Radcailin Women's Space Ireland (both mentioned above) are worth a look. You'll feel less alone at least. I've seen the same as Cupoftea1234 so we're definitely out there but can feel hard to find.
Cupoftea1234 · 22/09/2020 07:01

@Shetoshe

The relief of stumbling across this page! I've been silently despairing about feeling like the only woman in the country who is GC as everyone I know IRL is all "TWAW".

Just sent my complaint to the HSE - thanks for raising the issue on here OP. Glad to see so many like minded souls, it gives me hope Smile

Welcome shetoshe. There are a lot more GC Irish women than you think. I have seen discussions on Irish parenting websites and the overwhelming majority are GC.
Shetoshe · 21/09/2020 23:55

The relief of stumbling across this page! I've been silently despairing about feeling like the only woman in the country who is GC as everyone I know IRL is all "TWAW".

Just sent my complaint to the HSE - thanks for raising the issue on here OP. Glad to see so many like minded souls, it gives me hope Smile

Muhknaw · 21/09/2020 22:23

No reply either
I'm also wondering will 'people' now have to check themselves for a cervix to check whether or not they have been born with oneConfused??
Also of the 300 people and 90 women who die do all 90 identify as women/ transmen or non binary?? Will they be breaking those stats down further to include that information?

XXSex · 21/09/2020 21:01

The gall of the HSE trying to gaslight women in Ireland after the horrific treatment of women. 20 women have died as a result of the cervical cancer scandal. And they try to tell us the Scally wanted them to use neutral language. 🤬🤬🤬🤬

XXSex · 21/09/2020 20:59

Have you seen the gaslighting response on their website? www.screeningservice.ie/news/news.php?idx=235

They actually try to get us to think that they are complying with the WHO Guidelines and the Scally report?? Scandalous.

Extract is what he WHO actually say about making medical knowledge accessible to everyone in society

“ Health literacy interventions targeting the public should aim to improve all individuals’ ability to understand health information, which will lead to using these new skills to access and act on the necessary information. The significance of information may not be clear to the public; it may be necessary to explain to them why particular scientific, clinical and administrative information is important to their health. The public should not be expected to be experts, but instead to provide their perspectives to help inform policy.”

XXSex · 21/09/2020 20:56

No reply here. Sent letters to several TDs too. Nada yet.

WiserOlder · 21/09/2020 20:19

Is that what it said? 😂

Jellyeggs · 21/09/2020 20:14

I got an auto-reply acknowledging my email. Nothing since.

OchonAgusOchonO · 21/09/2020 20:10

No reply here either. Has anyone received a reply?

WiserOlder · 21/09/2020 20:09

[quote Annasgirl]@Cailleach1, that is a perfect summary of what is wrong. Actually those stats would have been useful for my complaint to the HSE (still no reply) and also for the Sarahs on Joe Duffy - although they might have "upset" or "offended" Amy.[/quote]
No reply here either

7Days · 21/09/2020 20:05

Isnt it amazing.

One time our genitals were literally unmentionable.
Now its hooray for pussy.
And its us ourselves that can't be mentioned among the great and good.

Annasgirl · 21/09/2020 16:58

@Cailleach1, that is a perfect summary of what is wrong. Actually those stats would have been useful for my complaint to the HSE (still no reply) and also for the Sarahs on Joe Duffy - although they might have "upset" or "offended" Amy.

Cupoftea1234 · 21/09/2020 16:52

[quote Cailleach1]Every year in Ireland about 300 people get cervical cancer. 90 women die from it.

Ok. So 90 women die from it. What about the other 'people' who get it? How many of them die from it?

In women aged 25 to 39 years, cervical cancer is the second most common cause of death due to cancer.

I wonder if it is the second most common cause of death due to cancer of those people besides women who get it?

They can't even pretend it is a 'gender' thing. It is only women who are being f*cked with.

www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/what-cervical-screening-is.html[/quote]
It is almost funny
Except it's not.

3timeslucky · 21/09/2020 15:33

It is just plain annoying reading the term "people" used in place of "women". It makes it sound like this is a form of cancer that we can all get. But we can't. Men don't get cervical cancer. Women do.

I've written my letter to the HSE and I just want to scrap it and write "Oh FFS. How dare you?" But in my heart of heart I don't think that will achieve anything. Though it might make me feel better, for a very brief moment.

Cailleach1 · 21/09/2020 14:37

Every year in Ireland about 300 people get cervical cancer. 90 women die from it.

Ok. So 90 women die from it. What about the other 'people' who get it? How many of them die from it?

In women aged 25 to 39 years, cervical cancer is the second most common cause of death due to cancer.

I wonder if it is the second most common cause of death due to cancer of those people besides women who get it?

They can't even pretend it is a 'gender' thing. It is only women who are being f*cked with.

www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/what-cervical-screening-is.html

Cailleach1 · 21/09/2020 14:29

The prostate is a small gland in the pelvis that is found only in men

www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/c/cancer,-prostate/

They really need to be held to book about the disgraceful way they are gaslighting women.

Cailleach1 · 21/09/2020 14:25

The fact that it is unclear means women are being failed in a service that is supposed to provide cervical screening for women. Do they really have such an excellent service now or is it their function to put such time and energy into anything other than the improvement of women's cervical screening. Have they diversified to also serve men? A service whose failure in clinical practice meant women died with the level of healthcare they provided.

Does the site for prostate checks the equivalent?

If you were born without a prostate
You do not need to have prostate checks if you are a man born without a prostate.

3timeslucky · 21/09/2020 14:11

When the CervicalCheck site says:
If you were born without a cervix
You do not need to have cervical screening if you are a woman born without a cervix.

Is that referring to transwomen or are some women born without a cervix?