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Assistance please - why Sex not Gender on Immunisation Form?

39 replies

gardenbird48 · 16/09/2020 13:59

Hi all, I contacted Virgin Healthcare to ask why they use Gender instead of Sex on their forms and have had a nice response that they are reviewing the use of Sex or Gender (Options: Male/female/other) in response to several parents requesting that Gender is used instead of based.
I am drafting a response to make the point that Sex is hugely important for medical situations - there are sex specific immunisations (can’t remember what atm) - Rubella? so surely they need to know whether they are vaccinating a boy or a girl? I’m not sure if there are any dosing differences between the sexes at that age but can anyone help with any other relevant points please?

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 16/09/2020 15:29

but merry why do they need to be polite? Should they use winkle instead of penis?

TheShoesa · 16/09/2020 15:24

The HPV vaccine being rolled out to boys was mentioned when Gardasil was launched way back (2005/6 ish IIRC) pretty much for the same reason that Rubella was given to boys as part of MMR - the objective is to reduce the circulating virus. So with Rubella, boys would not be able to pass it onto unvaccinated pregnant women. With HPV my memory isn't great on the specific types, but i think 2 were resonsible for cervical cell changes and the others genital / anal warts in general, which of course males are just as vulnerable to.

merrymouse · 16/09/2020 15:08

Hi all, I contacted Virgin Healthcare to ask why they use Gender instead of Sex

I suspect that in most cases they are using 'gender' as a 'polite' way of saying 'sex'.

G5000 · 16/09/2020 15:02

Because in medicine, biology matters. Not how you feel or dress.
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/nov/13/the-female-problem-male-bias-in-medical-trials

AlsoNotAGirl · 16/09/2020 14:59

I'd be inclined to point out that recording gender means they are capturing unnecessary data which is against GDPR because only sex is medically relevant for immunisations so that adverse affects can be compared by sex

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 16/09/2020 14:59

The yellow card pharmacovigilance reporting system uses sex therefore to be able to fully report an adverse reaction to the vaccine they would have to provide the sex of the patient (although yellow cards can be sent with minimal information too)

CaraDuneRedux · 16/09/2020 14:55

HPV was the only one I could think of currently (is it being rolled out to boys nationally, do you know, giggling? ) Back in the mists of pre-history when I were a lass, only girls got the rubella jab, but it's now part of the standard baby immunisation programme.

gigglingHyena · 16/09/2020 14:35

Just crossed out gender and written sex on the flu vax form here too.

Are ther still any sex spesific vaccines as part of the standard set? Rubella is now part of the MMR, so given to both sexes. HPV was the other which was just the girls when DD had hers, but that's been brought in for boys now as well. DS was due to have his at school this year, but cancelled due to lockdown.

MoreJammyDodgersPlease · 16/09/2020 14:31

I was going to say that only girls get the HPV vaccine, but I see that's now given to boys as well. I don't know of any other sex based differences, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some. What possible use is knowing someone's gender identity?

AnonymousSauces · 16/09/2020 14:28

@umbel

Do pursue this. I scratched out ‘gender’ and replaced it with ‘sex’ on my kid’s flu vaccination form last year. This year they have reverted to ‘sex, and even better, they have replaced the blank box with 3 options - male, female, do not wish to answer. Of course, I’m taking full credit for that! Grin
The form I just filled in for my child's flu vaccination still refers to gender. So different Trusts may have different policies, which is bonkers. I took great satisfaction in crossing it out and writing "sex". However, it only had male or female as the gender options, so now I am thinking that maybe they are using "gender" in the euphemistic sense, rather than in acceptance that gender feelz spectrum has any relevance to medical treatment.
TastelessBracelets · 16/09/2020 14:24

I just came on here to ask about this - we have a e-consent form where options are gender -male, female, prefer not to say. No paper form and I cant easily see where to contact them to say how irrelevant a question that is.

umbel · 16/09/2020 14:20

Do pursue this. I scratched out ‘gender’ and replaced it with ‘sex’ on my kid’s flu vaccination form last year. This year they have reverted to ‘sex, and even better, they have replaced the blank box with 3 options - male, female, do not wish to answer. Of course, I’m taking full credit for that! Grin

NewAutumnName · 16/09/2020 14:10

This is quite an interesting subject actually IMO

'Females typically develop higher antibody responses and experience more adverse reactions following vaccination than males.'

from

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25573105/

NewAutumnName · 16/09/2020 14:08

Interesting point. Research has found that 'males tend to have higher antibody titers to both tetanus and diphtheria than females' so at least with that vaccine it matters a bit... Although the research below is in the elderly and I think changing genders perhaps less common in much older people than now?

link www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4630198/