Brilliant debate on GMB about #RIPJKRowling

Yesterday was a bit of a low, but seeing that has just given me a real lift. How fantastic.

There we have it, the less intelligent male equivalent of Titania McGrath.😂😂😂 well done Benjamin

That was the purpose of it, nothing more and nothing less.

But by gawd the takedown was an absolute tonic

That was incredible.

Talk about shown up

If you are going to go on tv and talk about some thing at least have a passing glance as to what you are talking about

He looked a right idiot

Never mind 'RIP JKR', little Benjy Buttons got buried there! His incoherent, enraged spluttering at the end was a joy to behold. Benjamin Splutterworth.

Oh my god he was awful...piers took him apart, it was embarrassing to watch

Maybe he hasn’t actually watched it?

Benjamin...mate! You were shit, even your mum would have been embarrassed on your behalf

I think the filter even filtered out Rose, an actual trans person, telling the truth.

Yes.

Almost as though he has form for this kind of thing...

Placemarking to watch the footage later

Benjamin getting his arse handed to him on twitter. He just doesn't know when to give in.

twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1306169229062922241

Yet cross dressers are under the Stonewall definition of trans.

Rose of Dawn explained this.

Stonewall have expanded their definition of trans to include cross dressers/transvestites. That doesn't mean that all trans people agree with Stonewall.

We're not allowed to discuss it on here, ANew.

Benjamin Button looks (and sounds) like the love child of Harrop and Little Owen Jones.

OK, now I am a bit confused.

A distinction seemed to be repeatedly drawn in the interview between transvestites (not true trans) and transgender people.

Yet cross dressers are under the Stonewall definition of trans.

Obviously the act of putting on a garment of the opposite sex does not automatically make you trans - and I have no idea about the 'gender identity' of the individual in a wig and woman's coat in JKR's latest and whether they are written as a guy disguising their appearance or as something else.

But can anyone explain how cross dressing (true trans) is different to being a transvestite (apparently not true trans)?

And, if there is a distinction, where have all the transvestites gone?

We all know this debate isn't about helping trans people. It's about getting one over on women.

😂 He was just like Harrop. They had the same look of shock at emerging from their echo chambers and realising that real people in real life have different views and actually expect you to be able to argue your point logically rather than reciting slogans or abuse. He was so shocked at being questioned.

I look forward to them noticing it's not working, then I'm sure we'll get some clear and well reasoned arguments.

Michelle
"I'm continually staggered that this political lobby has all this money, all this tech savvy, and absolutely no concept of public image, PR, or not making a complete twit of itself on national telly."

Isn't the 'official PR message': "SHHHHHH" (or no debate)

Only the ones who don't understand this complex position get to debate on national TV.

Good lord. Benjamin thinks he did a good job on GMTV.

"Proud to have stood up for trans people on @GMB against the smears and attacks that try to undermine their existence."

He clearly wasn't paying attention to the transperson who disagreed with him!

Thanks for putting up the YouTube link .

It's a shame that my loathing for Piers Morgan is so deep and unswaying that I can't say I admire him for that interview. He is just a massive, massive, awful, terrible, bellend.

But I thought Rose of Dawn was excellent and George Galloway was interesting.

It's good that light is being shone on this on mainstream television with a large and diverse audience watching.

I think he knows more about this whole debate than we might have thought.

One day I'll make a list of people who are not as stupid as they appear (will include Piers Morgan) and a list of people who are much stupider than they appear (top spot occupied by Jolyon Maugham).

And again a non-trans male 'ally' stating extremist stuff right in the face of a trans person telling them they don't agree. I have happy memories of India Willoughby handing someone very similar his over intense, highly woke arse.

Oh I did enjoy that

Susanna and Rose trying desperately and politely not to laugh, Piers and George in growing frustrated disbelief, and the usual over intense, over the top ranting from the wokebloke complete with the pouting, eye rolling and Kevin The Teenager huffs.

I'm continually staggered that this political lobby has all this money, all this tech savvy, and absolutely no concept of public image, PR, or not making a complete twit of itself on national telly.

I think it's people like Piers Morgan who are going to turn this around for us. Loads of women have been working really hard behind the scenes, responding to consultations, holding meetings, writing letters etc but ultimately it's people like Morgan, who is watched by millions of people, who will bring home to the public the insanity of what's happening.

There are various angles to this. We have

1. Loudhailers, who raise the issue, get it out there, prick up the public's ears. I think Posie Parker and JKR are in this camp, as well as Piers Morgan.

1. Experts, who have all the data, statistics, relevant experience, the knowledge and references. I think this covers people like maybe MBM solicitors, Fair Cop, Maya Forstater, Rhona Hotchkiss - anyone with expertise who can offer informed input.

and

1. Translators, who can join the links, explain the problems, express themselves eloquently, cut to the heart of the matter, see the bigger picture. I would say people like Jane Clare Jones, Rachel Rooney, James Kirkup, Glosswitch.

I've missed out absolutely loads of people, and of course there is overlap, but just sketching out an idea.

There's also lots and lots of supporting roles for all of us muggles sitting in cafes (once upon a time) commenting on facebook, talking to our mums, writing letters to our MPs.

It's all needed. It all helps.

Very Haddocky.